Wednesday, May 04, 2005

New Jewish Press on RCA/Rabbi Mordechai Tendler, still get Bet Din's statement, Herring's comments and Rabbi Blau's role wrong. See my last weeks post

42 Comments:

At 3:30 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

http://www.thejewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=4955

Taking Stock Of The RCA`s Tendler Debacle
Posted 5/4/2005
By Editorial Board

In a series of editorials these past few weeks, The Jewish Press has explored the unfolding story of the Rabbinical Council of America`s expulsion of Rabbi Mordecai Tendler following an investigation conducted under the auspices of the RCA`s Vaad Hakavod.

Significantly, the Jerusalem Bet Din of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, where Rabbi Tendler had commenced a case against the RCA for its decision to expel him, has twice denounced any action taken against a rabbi that can have adverse affects on the rabbi`s future when it is not the result of the ruling of a bet din. In its first decision the Jerusalem Bet Din said that the defendants, including the RCA and several others named, "are prohibited from damaging or in any way affecting any services provided by, or any status or position of, the Plaintiff [Rabbi Tendler] unless and until the Defendants summon the Plaintiff to a din Torah, in any location in the world, before an official rabbinical bet din or before a bet din constituted through the process of "zablah." In its second decision the Jerusalem Bet Din reaffirmed, explaining,



[I]t is prohibited to take any action which can cause or bring about the dismissal of a rabbi in the Jewish community. Any action which may have such an effect, if such action will be taken, may only be taken through an independent and impartial Bet Din or through the "zablah" process, and not through any investigative committee of the organization wherein the complainants and the individual about whom complainants were made are members:



The RCA`s responses to the Jerusalem Bet Din have been nothing short of stunning. Though the Jerusalem Bet Din twice directly addressed the issue of its jurisdiction, the RCA twice denied that the Jerusalem Bet Din had jurisdiction in the matter. Despite the fact that the Jerusalem Bet Din twice ruled that only a bet din could take any action that can adversely affect the future of a rabbi, the RCA twice asserted that its expulsion of Rabbi Tendler addressed only the issue of his membership, not his future as a rabbi, and that therefore the RCA is, at all events, in compliance with the rulings of the Jerusalem Bet Din. As we demonstrated last week, however, this position of the RCA is patently absurd.

In this connection, we cited a statement of the RCA`s executive vice president, Rabbi Basil Herring, to the effect that loss of RCA membership is important to a rabbi`s future — and therein lies the tale of a disturbing twist to an already unfortunate situation. Rabbi Herring`s quote was part of an article that appeared in the March 25, 2005 print and website editions of The New York Jewish Week and was reported as follows:



While Orthodox synagogues are not required to hire rabbis who are members of the denominations` allied rabbinical groups, being barred from the RCA will make it difficult for him to find work as a congregational rabbi elsewhere, some officials said.

"It`s a serious step for someone`s career," said Rabbi Basil Herring, the RCA`s executive vice president. "The RCA imprimatur is valuable."



Surely, Rabbi Herring`s comment qualified as a "smoking gun" given the official statement of his organization that its expulsion of Rabbi Tendler should properly be viewed only in the context of his membership in their organization. Yet it turns out that Rabbi Herring`s statement was deleted from the piece sometime after the fact — and is conspicuously absent from the article as it now appears on The Jewish Week`s website.

In sum, the RCA persists in defying the Jerusalem Bet Din of the Chief Rabbinate by unilaterally rejecting the latter`s jurisdiction and by not proceeding by way of a bet din in the Tendler matter. It also persists in its attempts to write the history of this debacle, as witness its transparent prevarications in trying to get around the rulings of the Jerusalem Bet Din. Most recently, it has, with the apparent complicity of The Jewish Week, attempted to rewrite history as well.

* * *

In the course of our several editorials on the Tendler matter, we expressed our dismay, based upon information we received, over the reported role played by Rabbi Yosef Blau, given his deep involvement with the by now notorious Awareness Center. Last Friday we received an e-mail and telephone message from Rabbi Blau who was in Israel at the time. In both, Rabbi Blau narrowly stated that he has never been a member of the RCA`s Vaad Hakavod and that he “did not participate in the investigation of Rabbi Mordecai Tendler and was not part of the decision process." This of course gives rise to a whole host of questions as to his involvement in the process as a whole through others. As of Tuesday afternoon we were unable to reach Rabbi Blau for a follow-up. We hope to have more on this next week.

 
At 3:46 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

See last weeks comments as virtually the same clear errors.

http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/04/jewish-press-gets-around-to-publishing.html#comments

1)
>As we demonstrated last week,
>however, this position of the
>RCA is patently absurd.

Not how the Jerusalem Bet Din viewed the situation.

Jerusalem Bet Din:
"If, in the view of the RCA, the RCA is not in any way damaging or affecting any serviced provided by, or any status or position of the Plaintiff, then our Decision-Injunction has no implication."
(original hebrew version at: http://www.rabbis.org/news/_pdfs/Hachlatah%202.pdf )

2) Rabbi Herring`s comment

Actually, they are taken out of context. A clarification to the article in the Jewish Week was recently published and the comments were removed from the online story. They reveal zero about the specifics of the RMT case or someone as prominant/with a long career as RMT.

As usual, the Jewish Press gets it wrong because they simply failed to check subsequent issues for a clarification.

Page 6, The Jewish Week, April 8, 2003
Clarification: In last week's issue, the story on the expulsion of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler from the Rabbionical Council of America ("Orthodox Group Expels Rabbi") conveyed an erroneous impression regarding a quote from Rabbi Basil Herring, executive vice president of the RCA. His remarks about the effect expulsion may have on one's rabbinical career were made in general. He declined to say anything specifically about the Tendler case, in keeping with the RCA's policy of not publicly discussing the matter further.
We regret the error.

3) Rabbi Blau

As I've noted before the statements to the Jerusalem Bet Din by RMT's lawyers and the "stories" in the Jewish Press and Jewish Voice and Opinion regarding Rabbi Blau's role on the Bet Din Hakavod are simply false. He was never on it.

>In the course of our several
>editorials on the Tendler
>matter, we expressed our dismay,
>based upon information we
>received, over the reported role
>played by Rabbi Yosef Blau,

Of course no one bothered to ask him. It's clear that the sources for the Jewish Press and Jewish Voice and News gave false information regarding Rabbi Blau and of course most of their "information" was false as well. What does the truth matter to these 3 groups?

>given his deep involvement with
>the by now notorious Awareness
>Center.

Notorious? Because the Jewish Press says so.

>Last Friday we received an e-
>mail and telephone message from
>Rabbi Blau who was in Israel at
>the time. In both, Rabbi Blau
>narrowly stated that he has
>never been a member of the RCA`s
>Vaad Hakavod and that he “did
>not participate in the
>investigation of Rabbi Mordecai
>Tendler and was not part of the
>decision process."

End of story.

>This of course gives rise to a
>whole host of questions as to
>his involvement in the process
>as a whole through others.

Huh? The fact is that Rabbi Blau had zero to do with the investigation and decision. The reason he was in contact with the Bet Din in Israel is simple, he was falsely named in complaints to the Jerusalem Bet Din and was forced to address this nonsense as a result.

>As of Tuesday afternoon we were
>unable to reach Rabbi Blau for a
>follow-up. We hope to have more
>on this next week.

More nonsense.

The Jewish Press got it wrong for weeks and now they're grasping at straws to justify their errors.

 
At 4:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

> The Jewish Press got it wrong for
> weeks and now they're grasping at
> straws to justify their errors.

JWB has had it wrong for months, and he simply lies and deletes posts to cover up his errors.

The Jewish Press has credibility and accountability. JWB has neither. Cretin.

 
At 4:29 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Please elaborate.

I have done so above and previously.

 
At 4:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anyone wants to know why Mosiach has not come yet, he needs to look no farther than this blog. The amount of loshon hora, rechilut, hotzaat shem ra, etc. posted here is shameful and disgusting. Our non-Jewish enemies can rejoice - we are our own worst enemies.

 
At 4:38 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>If anyone wants to know why
>Mosiach has not come yet, he
>needs to look no farther than
>this blog. The amount of loshon
>hora, rechilut, hotzaat shem ra,
>etc. posted here is shameful and
>disgusting. Our non-Jewish
>enemies can rejoice - we are our
>own worst enemies.

Maybe instead of being concerned with Moshiach, you should concern yourself with protecting your fellow Jews from the sexual predators and crooks I profile.

See what brings Moshiach faster. Your actions to help others or the silencing of me.

 
At 5:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

>Maybe instead of being concerned with
>Moshiach, you should concern yourself
>with protecting your fellow Jews from
>the sexual predators and crooks I >profile.

>See what brings Moshiach faster. Your
>actions to help others or the >silencing of me.

You seem to relish in others' misfortunes. Who have you really helped? All you do is further strife and shame others. Even if someone has erred in the past, they can do Teshuvah, and if they were punsihed by the law or Beth Din, then let it be. What good do you contribute by adding fuel to the fire? How does that help anyone?

I am not affiliated with any of the Rabbis, shuls, etc. discussed here. I stumbled upon this site by chance.

I am physically ill by what I see.

You have never sinned? Would you like someone to go online and publish all of the bad stuff you have done?

Have you studied the laws of loshon hora? Can you honestly say you are publishing this garbage l'toelet?
Are you carefully following halacha to help others, or do you pick up and post every piece of unsubstantiated gossip. Orthodox Judaism doesn't need a muckracker. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I am not here to silence you. I am here to make you aware that you are committing many, many averot.

 
At 5:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not averot at all, merely trying to save Judaism from a certain disgusting person who calls himself a Rav and who is so egocentric and egotistical that he doesn't care about destroying lives, lying, falsifying teshuvos of rav Moshe zt"l,creating a huge chilul hashem, destroying the institutions of rabbanus and beis din, etc.etc. as long as it serves his own sefish purposes! JWB, yeyasher kochahchah!

 
At 5:52 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>You seem to relish in others'
>misfortunes.

False.

>Who have you really helped?

http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/02/updated-brandeis-u-alert-sexual.html#comments

>All you do is further strife and
>shame others. Even if someone
>has erred in the past, they can
>do Teshuvah, and if they were
>punsihed by the law or Beth Din,
>then let it be. What good do you
>contribute by adding fuel to the
>fire? How does that help anyone?

It helps the next potential victim.

>I am not affiliated with any of
>the Rabbis, shuls, etc.
>discussed here. I stumbled upon
>this site by chance.
>
>I am physically ill by what I
>see.

And well you should be. I am too. That's the point.

The next step is doing something about it.

>You have never sinned? Would you
>like someone to go online and
>publish all of the bad stuff you
>have done?

If it rose to the level of the people posted about here? Absolutely.

>Have you studied the laws of
>loshon hora?

Yes.

>Can you honestly
>say you are publishing this
>garbage l'toelet?
>Are you carefully following
>halacha to help others,

Yes.

>or do you pick up and post every
>piece of unsubstantiated gossip.

No.

>Orthodox Judaism doesn't need a
>muckracker.

Judaism needs to clean up the predators that exist and expose the hypocrites.

>You should be
>ashamed of yourself.

Not one bit.

>I am not here to silence you. I
>am here to make you aware that
>you are committing many, many
>averot.

No, you are by your mozi shem rah against me.

(source: RCA Roundtable, Nissan 5752)
...
The Mishnah, Avot 4:4, reminds us that sequestering a hillul Hashem will always be unsuccessful: "Whoever desecrates the name of Heaven in private will ultimately be punished in public, whether the desecration was committed unintentionally or intentionally." Hence, a conspiracy to conceal information about abuse will ultimately be made public, creating an even greater hillul Hashem. The greater severity of the hillul Hashem in concealing the information can be further supported by the Talmud, Yoma 86b, which maintains that "one should expose hypocrites to prevent the desecration of the Name.(Hilkhot De'ot 6-8) Rashi explains that the reason for this disclosure is that people, thinking that this person is righteous, may learn from his behavior. Rambam is of the opinion that after unsuccessful attempts to correct the matter privately, public remonstration and broadcasting of the outrage is required. There is no concern about the hillul Hashem of exposing the offense.
...

I aspire to do no less.

 
At 5:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

AMEN. KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK!!!

 
At 6:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, how am I commiting a motzi shem ra against you? For one, you are anonymous. Second, I am commenting on things you say in public posts.

For example, how do you know that the 2 child molesters are going to molest again? How do you know they didn't do Teshuvah, served their sentences, and want to move on with their lives? What does it help for you to post their identities and addresses, especially after all the schools have distributed the information themselves?

Furthermore, you quote Rambam saying that first you should try to discuss the matter privately. Have you privately discussed anything with the child molesters? I doubt it. You just decided to shame them more.

You quote Pirkei Avot stating that whoever desecrates Hashem's Name in private will be punished publicly. But these two people were already punished publically, sent to jail, and had their names distributed to the local schools. What do you add by shaming them more?

You quote Yoma saying one should expose hipocrites to avoid desecration of the Name. Although child molesteros are mentally sick people, I don't see how they are hypocrites.

I am not going to respond it anymore of this idiocy. Have fun

 
At 6:37 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>First of all, how am I commiting
>a motzi shem ra against you?

By claiming to know my motives when you don't.

>For one, you are anonymous.

So? Shmirat Ha'lashon doesn't apply?

>Second, I am commenting on
>things you say in public posts.

So? Shmirat Ha'lashon doesn't apply?

>For example, how do you know
>that the 2 child molesters are
>going to molest again?

All the literature indicates that such people cannot change, cannot be "cured". They did to be kept away from children for the rest of their lives. Jewish parents in Monsey have a right to information that can save their children.

>How do you know they didn't do
>Teshuvah, served their
>sentences, and want to move on
>with their lives?

How do you do Teshuvah for what they've done? How can you assume they've done teshuvah?

The authorities have assessed them as a continuing danger to children. Yet you dismiss their warning out of hand.

>What does it help for you to
>post their identities and
>addresses, especially after all
>the schools have distributed the
>information themselves?

When they move to new communities, other parents deserve a warning as well.

>Furthermore, you quote Rambam
>saying that first you should try
>to discuss the matter privately.
>Have you privately discussed
>anything with the child
>molesters? I doubt it. You just
>decided to shame them more.

They had their chance to do their public teshuvah. I see no evidence of change. Either do the authorities or the experts who have assessed them.

>You quote Pirkei Avot stating
>that whoever desecrates Hashem's
>Name in private will be punished
>publicly. But these two people
>were already punished
>publically, sent to jail, and
>had their names distributed to
>the local schools. What do you
>add by shaming them more?

We protect the next potential victims.

>You quote Yoma saying one should
>expose hipocrites to avoid
>desecration of the Name.
>Although child molesteros are
>mentally sick people, I don't
>see how they are hypocrites.

They are not mentally sick, they are evil. They are competent enough to hide their crimes and conceal their activities (until the authorities finally discovered them).

>I am not going to respond it
>anymore of this idiocy. Have fun

Good riddance.

 
At 7:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jewish Press: Letter to the Editor
From: Vicki Polin, Executive Director - The Awareness Center
To: editor@jewishpress.com
Date: May 4, 2005


Dear Editor,
I wanted to start off by informing you of the many errors I've found in your recent articles relating to the allegations of rabbinical sexual misconduct by Rabbi Mordecai Tendler. In this letter I am only going to address the many errors that I found that are directly related to The Awareness Center. Please feel free to call me to discuss these issues. I can be reached at 443-857-5560.


1. The Awareness Center is more then just a "website". We are a (Sexual Violence) Victims Rights Advocacy organization. Our organization offers a clearinghouse of information on various issues pertaining to the topic of sexual violence. As of today, The Awareness Center is the only Jewish organization that focuses purely on helping survivors of incest, sexual abuse, sexual assault, sexual harassment and rabbinical sexual misconduct.

Only a small part of our time and web page focuses on listing the names of alleged and convicted sex offenders. I think it's important to mention that for years there has been an ongoing trend for alleged and convicted offenders to move from one community to the next, leaving a trail of survivors behind. There have been several incidents where the alleged and also convicted offenders will move from city, state or even country to another, to avoid prosecution and or because they were chased out of town. There has also been a trend that they will change their names from their English names to Hebrew names. The Awareness Center tracks these occurrences the best we can as a way to prevent any future victims. The Awareness Center also offers resources for those who do offend and are seeking help, and also for family members of alleged and convicted sex offenders. For more information go to:http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/offenders.html and http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/familymembermolests.html


2. Rabbi Mark Dratch resigned from the Advisory Board of The Awareness Center quite awhile ago. Rabbi Dratch has never been a member of our Board of Directors. He never had a decision making role in our organization. In your article "An Inappropriate Process (Part IV) dated April 28, 2005, you stated Rabbi Mark Dratch is currently on our board of directors. He is not. You can easily verify this information by going to our web page: http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/board.html


3. The Awareness Center is NOT an investigator organization. We are a clearinghouse of information. We have policies in place of what goes up on our list of alleged and convicted offenders. To view our policies go to: http://theawarenesscenter.org/policies.html


4. The Awareness Center had nothing to do with the way the Vaad Hakavod operated. I personally wish we had been able to, yet that has never been the role of our organization. Please remember we are an educational and advocacy organization. The role our organization usually plays in any case has been to provide information and resources to those who have stated they had been sexual victimized. We have also supplied information and resources to those in supportive roles to survivors, to family members of alleged and convicted offenders, and also to alleged and convicted offenders.
Considering all of the information provided above that is readily available to anyone on our web page, I find it amazing that there have been so many errors in your articles. I am also surprised that no one from your paper has ever contacted The Awareness Center.

On another note, I felt that it was important to thank you for calling The Awareness Center "notorious." I had no idea that an organization that is supported purely by volunteers and which has very little funding could have such an impact in the orthodox world. I'm amazed that it would be considered "notorious."

It makes one have to stop and wonder, why you feel it is so threatening for an organization to advocate to those who have felt they have been sexually violated.

Sincerely,
Vicki Polin, Executive Director
The Awareness Center

 
At 7:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the second Beit Din statement:

"[I]t is prohibited to take any action which can cause or bring about the dismissal of a rabbi in the Jewish community. Any action which may have such an effect, if such action will be taken, may only be taken through an independent and impartial Bet Din or through the "zablah" process, and not through any investigative committee of the organization wherein the complainants and the individual about whom complainants were made are members:"


Note that the Beit Din added this lashon "and not through any investigative committee of the organization wherein the complainants and the individual about whom complainants were made are members" which was not in the original decision. It seems clear to me that they are not too pleased with the "Vaad Hakavod" process.

I think is more to come from the Beit Din as they seemed to indicate that they would be saying more about it in the future. I get the feeling that they are telling the parties to go to a Beit Din to settle this, they'll give them time before this Beit Din has to get more explicit, hoping that the parties will act responsibly (from a halachic standpoint). Based on the RCA's response, I don't think it is coming.

 
At 8:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Page 6, The Jewish Week, April 8, 2003
Clarification: In last week's issue, the story on the expulsion of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler from the Rabbionical Council of America ("Orthodox Group Expels Rabbi") conveyed an erroneous impression regarding a quote from Rabbi Basil Herring, executive vice president of the RCA. His remarks about the effect expulsion may have on one's rabbinical career were made in general. He declined to say anything specifically about the Tendler case, in keeping with the RCA's policy of not publicly discussing the matter further.
We regret the error."

That does not change the facts one iota. Whether referring specifically to RMT or in general to any Rav, Herring believes that expelling anyone from the RCA will negatively impact them, that having the RCA imprimatur is a plus to their career. Ipso facto, taking it away is a negative. JWB - YOU PROVED THE JEWISH PRESS TO BE RIGHT!

 
At 8:04 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>JWB - YOU PROVED THE JEWISH
>PRESS TO BE RIGHT!

No.

Try reading what I actually wrote.

 
At 8:05 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

2) Rabbi Herring`s comment

Actually, they are taken out of context. A clarification to the article in the Jewish Week was recently published and the comments were removed from the online story. They reveal zero about the specifics of the RMT case or someone as prominant/with as long a career as RMT.

As usual, the Jewish Press gets it wrong because they simply failed to check subsequent issues for a clarification.

Page 6, The Jewish Week, April 8, 2003
Clarification: In last week's issue, the story on the expulsion of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler from the Rabbionical Council of America ("Orthodox Group Expels Rabbi") conveyed an erroneous impression regarding a quote from Rabbi Basil Herring, executive vice president of the RCA. His remarks about the effect expulsion may have on one's rabbinical career were made in general. He declined to say anything specifically about the Tendler case, in keeping with the RCA's policy of not publicly discussing the matter further.
We regret the error.

 
At 8:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Jewish Press chose to interpret my denial of any involvement with the investigation as "narrow". I left a number in Israel for them to reach me before Shabbos or Monday. The reason that I was not reached on Tuesday is that I did not come home intil late in the afternoon and returned the call to an answering machine last night. At no point before Tuesday did anyone connected to the Jewish Press contact me to ask any questions about the investigation or anything else. This did not prevent them from the personal attack in an editorial, which followed an editorial about the need for a Beis Din procedure.
I did finally reach someone at the Jewish Press late today and answered every question he asked. The names of those who gave them information were keeped confidential. One last correction, I have not been in contact with the Beis Din in Yerushalayim. I went to Israel in March as I do every year for Y.U. before knowing that a Beis Din had been approached by an Israeli rabbinical lawyer for Rabbi Mordechai Tendler and returned to Israel for Pesach so that my wife and I could spend the chag with our son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren living there. Yosef Blau

 
At 10:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It appears that the Jewish Press never bothered to do it's homework. It seems that all they are doing is quoting Moshe Tendler.

It makes sense that Moshe Tendler would use all the political connections he could. What father wouldn't do everything in his power to protect his son. This is not unusual for a family member of an alleged offender. What father would want to believe that his child could possibly be a sex offender?

The reality of the situation is that Moshe Tendler is enabling his son to continue to victimize women. What he really needs to be doing is trying to help his son to get the psychological help he so desperately needs.

 
At 10:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a community what can we do to help Rabbi Moshe Tendler realize that by attacking those who protect victims, he is really hurting his son?

How do you help a parent of an offender realize that their child has serious psychological problems? How can a parent admit to themselves that their child could have an Antisocial personality disorder? Does it help to know what causes someone to develop these sorts of personality traits? Maybe that should really be what the topic of discussion should be about?

It's really a difficult situation for everyone.

 
At 1:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One cannot help but laugh at the bitter irony of a community in which the very tools of dirty work of Rabbis is used as their defense when it is THEIR tuchus on the line. RMT is entitled to protection of employment and reputation until proven in a Beis Din? How many reputations and businesses of husbands did he and his father destroy improperly twisting arms during divorce proceedings -- and for substantial personal profit?!

I suppose the ruling of the Rabbis in Israel, is explicitly, only for Rabbis as a defense...what a disgrace

 
At 5:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

" His remarks about the effect expulsion may have on one's rabbinical career were made in general."

This means his comments apply to Tendler AS WELL. It does NOT exclude the Tendler case. His comments are a superset of all cases, ergo they apply to Tendler as well as other cases. This supports the Jewish Press' conclusion. Game, set, match. Learn to read, JWB.

Now, we understand why the comments were removed from the website. The RCA continues to avoid accountability and responsibility for their actions and words. Great role models, huh?

 
At 5:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anybody here really believe Blau wrote that post? Pretty funny.

 
At 6:14 AM, Anonymous KNHMember said...

>>First of all, how am I commiting
>>a motzi shem ra against you?

>By claiming to know my motives when
>you don't.

More ironic dribble from JWB.

He gets purturbed when people claim to know his motives and dismisses their statements. Yet, JWB claims to know the motives of every Orthodox Jew who has ever been accused of any wrongdoing.

JWB is a pathetic hypocrite.

 
At 6:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Game, set, match."
Again and again we find this kind of juvenile language in postings by Danny Boy & co. He and hi ilk think its a big game. what a creep!!! This is about the safety of the Jewish community, the integrity of the Torah and the purity and credibility of the rabbanus and messorah- all grossly soiled by the disgusting behavior of the tendlers. They (the tendlerites) just don't get it- or want to!

 
At 6:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It makes sense that Moshe Tendler would use all the political connections he could. What father wouldn't do everything in his power to protect his son. This is not unusual for a family member of an alleged offender. What father would want to believe that his child could possibly be a sex offender?"
Abslutely. What doesn't make sense is anyone taking what MD tendler, or any of mordechai's other relatives, say seriously. Everything they said stemmed only from their 'negiah" not from Torah- they should have no voice in all of this. Anyone including the statements of any of the tendlers, Feinsteins or Joffens in their decisions about the tendler issue is making a pretty basic mistake, to say the least. They are all pasul to judge the case; we aught to ignore their comments (not give them a public [and unchallenged!!!]forum as the cult of new hempstead did that horrible sunday night!

 
At 6:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

IT IS TIME FOR ALL RABBIS AND OTHER LEADERS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY TO PUBLICALLY SPEAK OUT AGAINST TENDLER AND HIS MAFFIA; AND IN SUPPPORT OF THE RCA. IT IS TIME FOR KNH TO BOOT HIM OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER! IT IS TIME FOR EVERY SUBSCRIBER TO THE JEWISH PRESS TO WRITE OR CALL AND SAY THEY ARE CANCELLING THEIR SUBSCRIPTIONS DUE TO THE ABSURD COVERAGE OF THIS CASE!!! THE JEWISH COMMUNITY NEEDS TO GET ITS ACT TOGETHER ALREADY.

 
At 6:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a people what can we do to help Moshe Tendler face the facts regarding both of his sons. There are allegations that his son Aron has molested teenage girls, and then there are the allegations agains Mordecai. Those who are in denial regarding Mordecai's behavior have not answered any one of these important questions:

1. Why is it that over 10 women would conspire against this allegedly pious rabbi?

2. What do they have to gain from making allegations of sexual misconduct?

3. How many women do you know have no issue with the man they are involved with having relations with other women at the same time?

4. How many women in orthodox circles will have relations with a married man? Especially if they are also friendly with the woman's husband?

The pure volume of women who have come forward should be enough to make anyone open up their eyes and pay attention.

Focusing on anything else is just a distraction. It's much easier for Moshe Tendler and the rest of Mordecai Tendler's relatives to attempt to distract from the real issues.

Moshe, if you read this please start reading books about sex offenders. Look at the symptomology of those with antisocial personality disorders. If you really want to do something to help your chldren, help them get the psychological help they need.

 
At 7:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want information about cults, why not learn about them at:
http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/cults.html

 
At 7:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wrote the post since the Jewish press prints all these bizarre allegations. I do not have confidence in their properly correcting the falsehoods and wont go to another paper so I wrote it here. If anyone has any questions feel free to call me to check.
The irony is that I went to Israel through Turkey to save money and did notstay at a hotel.
Yosef Blau

 
At 7:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wrote the post since the Jewish press prints all these bizarre allegations. I do not have confidence in their properly correcting the falsehoods and wont go to another paper so I wrote it here. If anyone has any questions feel free to call me to check.
The irony is that I went to Israel through Turkey to save money and did not stay at a hotel.
Yosef Blau

 
At 7:54 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

As I've said before, the only actual statistics kept by law enforcement indicate that false allegations of sexual assault are rare.

Further, the vast majority of false allegations involve allegations of sexual assault where the abuser is UNKOWN (stranger).

Further, false allegations involving multiple victims over many decades just do not occur.

 
At 7:58 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Unlike US law enforcement agencies, our neighbor to the north, America lite or Canada keeps statistics as to false reports of sexual assault.

The Province of Ontario reports that about 5.7 percent of all such allegations were false in the first four years of recording such statistics.

The Province of British Columbia reports 6.7 percent of sexual assault allegations have turned out to be false.

It also appears that a large portion of false allegations involve allegations where the victim makes allegations against an unknown abuser. A Toronto police squad that restricts itself to handling major rape cases where the assailant is unknown to the victim, reported that a whopping 30 percent of cases -- 69 out of 232 cases -- turned out to be false.

But again these statistics relate to a much larger population than the examples you are linking to. The RMT case involves a known abuser with multiple victims/survivors over several decades, a much smaller population of abuse complaints.

 
At 8:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I wrote the post since the Jewish press prints all these bizarre allegations. I do not have confidence in their properly correcting the falsehoods and wont go to another paper so I wrote it here. If anyone has any questions feel free to call me to check.
The irony is that I went to Israel through Turkey to save money and did notstay at a hotel.
Yosef Blau"


Ha ha ha ha ha.

Contact the Jewish Week so we can see it in print next week.

 
At 8:36 AM, Blogger Vicki Polin said...

I spoke to Rabbi Blau this morning on the telephone. He verified the authenticity of the statement provided above. You will also find his statement on The Awareness Center's web page:
http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/Tendler_Mordecai.html

Vicki Polin
Executive Director - The Awareness Center

 
At 8:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please read the following web pages to understand the dynamics of those who support an organization founded by parents of a clinical psychologist who confronted her parents privately regarding her memories of being abused.



An Open Letter to the Advisory Board Members of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation
http://movingforward.org/v2n5-birrell.html

PAIDIKA INTERVIEW:
HOLLIDA WAKEFIELD AND RALPH UNDERWAGER Part I
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/Underwager2.html

Memory, Abuse, and Science:
Questioning Claims about the False Memory Syndrome Epidemic
Kenneth S. Pope
http://kspope.com/memory/memory.php

 
At 8:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jewish Whistleblower,

at one time you published information about a TV show that addressed these sorts of claims. Can you post that information again?

I believe it was an eposide of nightline? or 20/20?

 
At 8:56 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>at one time you published
>information about a TV show that
>addressed these sorts of claims.
>Can you post that information
>again?
>
>I believe it was an eposide of
>nightline? or 20/20?

TURNING POINT: WHEN CHILDREN ACCUSE: WHO TO BELIEVE:
11/14/1996
Code: U961114 01
Price: $39.95

Description: WHEN CHILDREN ACCUSE: WHO TO BELIEVE Child sex abuse is a very serious problem. In 1994 alone 140,000 new cases were investigated and found to be real. But are innocent people being sentenced for crimes they never committed because of the testimony of the young?

I've posted the entire transcript at 184th comment at:

http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/03/jewish-week-reports-on-fiasco-sunday.html#comments

 
At 9:01 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Anyone claiming large numbers/percentages of false sexual assault allegations is simply using poor studies/statistics or incorrect data.

Please link any actual/real current data from law enforcement to the contrary. I suspect, I will see no links.

 
At 9:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TURNING POINT: WHEN CHILDREN ACCUSE: WHO TO BELIEVE:
11/14/1996
Code: U961114 01
Price: $39.95

Description: WHEN CHILDREN ACCUSE: WHO TO BELIEVE Child sex abuse is a very serious problem. In 1994 alone 140,000 new cases were investigated and found to be real. But are innocent people being sentenced for crimes they never committed because of the testimony of the young?

-----
Transcript
ABC NEWS
SHOW: Nightline (ABC 11:30 pm ET)
November 14, 1996
Transcript # 4039-1
TYPE: Interview
SECTION: News; Domestic

Child's Word
BYLINE: TED KOPPEL; ERIN HAYES

Doubt over the testimony of children in sexual abuse cases has made it harder to try accused child molesters, sometimes with deadly consequences, but authorities say children do tell the truth in most cases.

BODY:
TED KOPPEL: [voice-over] This week, another tragedy.

1st RESPONDENT: I don't understand this. They- they knew. Why did they let him come into this neighborhood? Or in any other neighborhood?

IPTED KOPPEL: [voice-over] A convicted child molester avoids prison because there is doubt over the testimony of a child.

STEPHEN CECI, Psychologist, Cornell University: We're never going to have - never going to have - a Pinocchio test. There will never be a test where the child's nose is growing longer when she gets it wrong.

IPTED KOPPEL: [voice-over] But when the convicted molester is sent home, he kills two children.

2nd RESPONDENT: When they do something like that, don't let them out. Just don't let them out at all.

IPTED KOPPEL: [voice-over] Tonight, the country faces a growing dilemma, knowing when to believe a child's word.

ANNOUNCER: This is ABC News Nightline. Reporting from Washington, Ted Koppel.

TED KOPPEL: This is a subject that is so controversial, about which people on both sides of the issue feel so passionately, that you should know how, in this particular instance, it was brought to our attention. Cydnea Tamarkin [sp?] has been a journalist for many years. She has devoted a great deal of attention to the subject of the sexual abuse of children by adults. Ms. Tamarkin has come to believe that, in recent years, a great many children who claim to have been sexually abused are not believed, or at least that suspects are not prosecuted because of some high-profile cases in which the testimony of children was found in court to be not credible. At one point, Ms. Tamarkin served on the advisory board of an organization called Believe the Children. She insists, however, that she remains neutral on the subject, and we have found her to be a useful, objective and reliable resource.@PGPH I'm telling you all of this because some people are under the impression, and have communicated this to us, that Ms. Tamarkin produced the reports you are about to see. That is not true. Correspondent Erin Hayes and producer Jim Hill have been especially sensitive to the suggestion that their work might be seen as anything less than objective reporting, and so have we. We are satisfied that their story is important and that Erin's report has been compiled as fairly and cleanly as possible.

ERIN HAYES, ABC News: [voice-over] Robert Jambois, a Kenosha, Wisconsin prosecutor, and his staff are preparing a case against a man accused of sexually molesting a little boy.

ROBERT JAMBOIS, Prosecutor, Kenosha, WI: He's been waking up in the middle of the night, you know, screaming, "Daddy, don't do it again."

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] As in most child sex abuse cases, there is no physical evidence.

ROBERT JAMBOIS: Basically, it's the child's word against the word of the adult.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] The case will hinge on the testimony of the boy. It will not be easy.

ROBERT JAMBOIS: He's going to be called a liar, and he's going to be told that, you know, going to say that he just- he made this whole thing up, or that somebody else made it all up.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Jambois says it will be doubly difficult because many potential jurors walk into court already dubious about the testimony of children.

ROBERT JAMBOIS: One of the questions that we often ask jurors, I mean, "Are you prepared to convict this defendant just based on the testimony- or based exclusively on the testimony of an eyewitness?" And many of them will say, "Yeah, yeah." And, "Well, what about- what if this eyewitness is five years old, and you believe this five-year-old, and you don't believe the defendant, are you still prepared to convict, based exclusively on the testimony of this five-year-old eyewitness?" "Oh, no," they're not really inclined to do that.

ERIN HAYES: And prosecutors from more than a dozen major cities told Nightline it is a disturbing trend. In the past five years, they say, it has become much more difficult to prosecute child sex abuse because the credibility of children's testimony has come under attack.

J. TOM MORGAN, Prosecutor, Dekalb County, Georgia: The courtroom has gotten very mean. It's gotten mean for children, and it's gotten mean for the people who advocate for children.

ROBERT JAMBOIS: If I have a credible child who's able to give a credible account of what occurred, why shouldn't that be enough? Why- why shouldn't the jury believe that a child will- is telling the truth about these matters?

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Because, a group of critics argues, in many cases, by the time children get to the witness stand, there has been too much opportunity for investigators to pressure children into describing abuse where there may be none. Attorney Steven Komen [sp?] has defended dozens of people charged with child sex abuse.

STEVEN KOMEN: My experience is, is that a qualified lawyer, or a psychiatrist, social worker, or psychologist, can get a child to say just about anything they want while they're talking to them.

RICHARD GARDNER, Psychiatrist: It has all the- all the criteria of a witchhunt, and the- the similarities between Salem and what we have now are uncanny.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] There is a history behind those charges, a spate of high-profile sex-abuse cases gone awry.

1st TV CORRESPONDENT: The community of Jordan, Minnesota has been jolted by allegations of a ring of child sexual abusers.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Cases in the 1980s, charges that defied belief.

2nd TV CORRESPONDENT: Coerced into staying silent by the brandishing of guns and the mutilating of animals.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] But police and prosecutors had little, if any, experience with these unusual cases. Some took children's stories at face value or, worse, relentlessly interviewed some children until they finally came forward with stories of abuse.

ATTORNEY [?]: The children were never allowed to say, in their own words, what happened to them.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] In the years since, many of those cases have unraveled. Many of those accused had charges against them dropped, were acquitted, or had their convictions overturned.

PAUL STERN, Deputy Prosecutor, Kenosha, WI: Clearly, in the last two years there have been mistakes made in prosecution. There has been overcharging, there has been overreaching, there's been overzealous statements made by- by prosecutors, by investigators, by therapists.

ERIN HAYES: Those mistakes, prosecutors say, prompted them to change the system. Safeguards are being put in place, and interviewers are being trained not to lead children on in questioning.

PAUL STERN: This system works. This system works more effectively and more efficiently, with better results and better decisionmaking now than it did 10 years ago.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] But prosecutors say convincing juries of that has been extraordinarily difficult in the face of a counterattack they say is planting widespread doubt about the believability of children's testimony.@PGPH [on camera] And prosecutors say that counterattack is succeeding on the basis of unproven theories and misapplied science that they say should have no place in the courtroom.

IP[Commercial break]

TED KOPPEL: At the heart of many cases involving the sexual abuse of children is a debate over science in the courtroom. Erin Hayes continues her report.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] This is what is at the center of the debate, the statements of children, like this one, who told prosecutor Jambois that her father sexually molested her.

1st CHILD: He took a pen and stuck it in her- in my body.

INTERVIEWER: He did?

1st CHILD: Yeah.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] If you are a juror, listening to this child, should you have strong doubts? Is there reason to believe a child would make up something like that, or could be led to make it up? Many who defend the accused point to a body of research they say shows children can and do make up stories of sexual abuse. Some of they research they cite most frequently is that of Cornell University psychologist Stephen Ceci. Professor Ceci's staff has found they can elicit elaborate stories from young children, stories that are absolutely untrue, like this one.

2nd CHILD: The monkey escaped from the zoo. A man [unintelligible] he asked if- if I could help him find it, and I- and I found it.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] The studies have been widely cited in the media as evidence for questioning children's accounts of sex abuse. USA Today suggested questions can induce kids to falsely claim abuse. The Boston Herald said interviewers' techniques can often convince non-abused children they were truly molested, and more of Ceci's work has been cited in the courtroom as evidence of "...a high degree of suggestibility among young children...," that it's "...quite easy to distort a child's memory..." and "A child who was not abused may come to believe they were...@PGPH But Ceci says in many cases his work has been misused and misunderstood.

STEPHEN CECI, Psychologist, Cornell University: Not only do I believe children can be reliable in sexual abuse cases, I believe the vast majority of them are reliable in those cases.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] But Ceci says what is missing from many accounts of his work is that it is fairly difficult to convince children to make up even the most harmless stories.

STEPHEN CECI: Because in our studies we work at it very hard.

INTERVIEWER: And guess what, they found the monkey and gave it back to the lady. Did anything like that ever happen to you?

3rd CHILD: No.

INTERVIEWER: Did you ever help a stranger in a park to find a monkey that ran away from a zoo? You didn't?

STEPHEN CECI: We pursued kids repeatedly over long periods of time.

INTERVIEWER: Did anything like that ever happen to you?

4th CHILD: No.

STEPHEN CECI: I'm not talking about a single interview, where you sit down and you use a single leading question, and all of a sudden the child's giving you some highly elaborate narrative about something that never happened. That isn't how we grow a narrative. We do it over long periods of time, with repeated false suggestions by an interviewer.

ERIN HAYES: That doesn't seem to- to bear most child sexual abuse cases.

STEPHEN CECI: No. I would- I would agree.

ERIN HAYES: In fact, in his studies, most of the children ultimately do not give in to interviewers' suggestions, and while many of the interviews are about more serious subjects, medical exams, for example, they are not about sex abuse, and many in the child protection field are troubled that Ceci's research is being applied to sex abuse cases.

CHARLES WILSON, National Children's Advocacy Center: Because a child can be convinced of some event within their- within their realm of experience, such as seeing a clumsy clown at a- at a party, doesn't translate into that they can be made to believe that their grandfather had sex with them every Friday night for the last three years. It doesn't tell them about what the taste of semen is like. It doesn't tell them about the pain.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Professor Ceci says he sees his research as a first step toward understanding cases where children have made false allegations of abuse.

STEPHEN CECI: It in no way denies the true instance of child sexual abuse, to say that some percentage of those claims may be falsehoods because of the way the adults have pursued the kids' memories.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] But those cases, he says, are not the norm.

STEPHEN CECI: Maybe 1 percent, 5 percent, 10 percent. I suspect it's nowhere near the majority. My hunch is the majority of interviews done with kids by front-line workers, child protective service, law enforcement, therapists, pediatricians, are well-done.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] But prosecutors say that is not the message being heard. Many jurors walk into court, they say, already doubting children, especially young children.@PGPH [on camera] In fact, prosecutors in several states told Nightline that in many cases of sex abuse involving children under the age of six, they are not prosecuting, even when they are sure the child would be a credible witness.@PGPH [voice-over] Rob Parrish, an assistant attorney general in Utah, is concerned that the cases are proving too tough for many prosecutors.

ROB PARRISH, Utah Assistant Attorney General: What I often say to prosecutors is that when we go in to a case like this, we have an extra burden. It's not just proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt. We've got to prove it pretty much beyond any doubt.

IPTED KOPPEL: In a moment, two of the men who have raised doubts about the reliability of children's testimony, when Erin Hayes's report continues.

[Commercial break]

RALPH UNDERWAGER, Psychologist: [videotape] The best thing to do, the thing that would, in fact, protect the largest number of children from being harmed is to do away with all this bullshit of child protection.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Ralph Underwager, a Minnesota psychologist-

Dr. RICHARD GARDNER: [videotape] And we are witnessing the greatest wave of hysteria in the history of the country.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] -and Dr. Richard Gardner, a New Jersey psychiatrist, are two of the most outspoken critics of child sex abuse investigators in this country. On a past Nightline, Dr. Gardner criticized what he called "the child abuse establishment."

Dr. RICHARD GARDNER: ["Nightline," March 4, 1994] It is a fact that- a- a- a lot of incompetent zealots- zealous people, overzealous, who see sex abuse everywhere.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Gardner's and Underwager's research and theories raising doubts about the validity of many children's accusations of sex abuse have been widely cited in the media, and both have been highly sought, highly paid witnesses for people defending themselves against child sex abuse charges.

RALPH UNDERWAGER: I believe the great majority of the questioning of children that is done in this country is highly coercive, highly suggestive, leading, and produces inaccurate information.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Underwager has done research that he says backs him up. He evaluated taped interviews of children, children who claimed they were sexually abused. Too many of the interviewers, Underwager concluded, used leading or repeated questions, which he says cast serious doubts on the children's accusations.

RALPH UNDERWAGER: It is the case that repeated questioning is the most powerful and the- the most effective way to produce a false accusation.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] But his critics point out Underwager uses his own standards for determining what is repeated and leading. For instance, he has said that interviewers' questions like this one, "Okay ... I don't want you to say anything you can't remember for sure," could be considered leading. And most of the tapes he reviews come to him from defense attorneys, for whom he consults. When he testifies for them, he says, he is paid $2,500 a day. Underwager admits he has no way to known if the children's accounts of abuse in the cases he reviews are actually false.@PGPH [interviewing] How do you know, in each of these cases, that the abuse did not happen?

RALPH UNDERWAGER: I don't. That's not my function. That's the function of the justice system.

ROB PARRISH: If that's the case, then there's no reason for him to be expressing an opinion in the justice system, any more than any of the rest of us. I mean, you could call anybody in that circumstance to say, "I've viewed the tape and I think it's a bad interview, so therefore I think this child's probably not telling the truth."

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] At least 10 courts have disallowed Underwager's testimony. One ruled he "...did not have bone fide qualifications..." as a researcher. Another said his work "...was not scientifically reliable..."@PGPH Underwager does continue to testify, which concerns many of his critics, who say is expertise is colored by what they see as a sympathetic view toward pedophiles. In a Dutch publication [Paidika] three years ago, Underwager said, "Paedophiles need to become more positive and make the claim that paedophilia is an acceptable expression of God's will for love and will among human beings."@PGPH Underwager says he has always believed sex between adults and children is harmful, but says to help treat pedophiles, they must first be encouraged to openly proclaim their sexuality.

RALPH UNDERWAGER: That's what they need to do for themselves, and that's what we need to have them do, so that we can deal with it.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] In the same controversial article, he said "Male sex may make women jealous," and that can "...hold true for pedophile sex too."@PGPH [interviewing] To say that a woman would be jealous of pedophile sex, what do you mean by that? Why would you say something like that?"

RALPH UNDERWAGER: What's so difficult to understand about that?

ERIN HAYES: It's almost impossible for me to understand.

RALPH UNDERWAGER: In what way?

ERIN HAYES: Why would a woman, in your estimation, be jealous of sex between a pedophile and a child?

RALPH UNDERWAGER: If it interfered with whatever the woman had as her purposes, or her intents, or whatever her relationships were, that's what could occur.

MARK ELLIS, National Center for Prosecution of Child Abuse: His methods and theories are not accepted by others in his field, and have been subject to a great deal of criticism by others in his field.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Prosecutors are also critical of Dr. Gardner, who not only testifies, but publishes and markets his own books on child sex abuse, books often quoted in court cases.

ATTORNEY: [law firm videotape] Now, I want to talk to you about the most common cause of false accusations.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] In this videotape produced by a law firm, an attorney cites from Dr. Gardner's research Gardner's conclusion that false allegations of child sex abuse are commonplace in custody disputes.

ATTORNEY: [law firm videotape] This phenomena [sic] has been examined in research and it's now been given the name "parental alienation syndrome."

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] That disorder, however, cannot be found in the standard manual of psychiatric diagnoses. It is a term Dr. Gardner coined himself, based mainly on his own experience as a psychiatrist.@PGPH But the largest study done on the subject to date found that false allegations of child sexual abuse rarely surface in custody disputes ["...less than 2% of cases involved an allegation of sexual abuse."]@PGPH Dr. Gardner declined a videotaped interview for this report, but he sells tapes of his own, as well, in which he describes his criteria to help determine whether a child's allegation of sexual abuse is true or false. Among his criteria?

Dr. RICHARD GARDNER: [videotape] If it sounds incredible, it's probably not true.@PGPH In extreme cases, children who are sexually abused become like little street-smart sluts. I believe that children who are false accusers are going to have a higher incidence of reading mystery stories.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] Dr. Gardner concedes no one has scientifically tested his criteria, not even he.

ROB PARRISH: Those tests are not based on scientific reality. They're not verified, they're not validated in any way.

ERIN HAYES: [voice-over] But, prosecutors say, such work is having a real effect in the courtroom.

ROBERT JAMBOIS: It has promoted a level of cynicism among a significant percentage of the population, and when you're dealing in an area where you have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt unanimously among the jury, a little bit of cynicism can do a great deal of damage.

IPTED KOPPEL: Balancing the rights of the accused and the abused- some final thoughts from correspondent Erin Hayes, in a moment.

[Commercial break]

TED KOPPEL: Joining us now from our Chicago bureau, ABC's Erin Hayes.@PGPH Erin, I get the sense that- that there really has been no conclusion to this story. I mean, your report ends, but it doesn't end with a conclusion. I take it that's because there isn't any.

ERIN HAYES: There really is no conclusion. There's a consensus among those I've spoken to, and that is that the pendulum just needs to swing back to the middle, that there was in the 1980s a tendency to immediately believe children's accounts of sex abuse, now there's a tendency to doubt children right away, and neither, they say, is reasonable.

TED KOPPEL: And what do the experts say can be done to bring about that happy medium?

ERIN HAYES: Well, they're trying now to remove reasons for doubt, to build more credible cases. There's a great deal of training going on now of police and prosecutors, therapists, even judges, about the best way to interview children to get the most accurate information from them. But having said that, they also say there will never be a crystal ball, an easy test, a simple way to know if an account of abuse is true or false. Each case, they say, has to be determined the old-fashioned way, on its merits, examining all the facts.

TED KOPPEL: Unfortunately, we're talking about fear on both sides, fear, on the one hand, of not believing children who deserve to be believed, fear, on the other hand, of convicting innocent people because of an easily suggestible child.

ERIN HAYES: Well, those I've spoken to say there are two things to remember. The first is that you have to remember that the accused is innocent and has to be presumed innocent until they're proven guilty. But they also say it's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not, prosecutors say, beyond an irrational doubt. And what they're asking jurors to do is to walk into court with an open mind and a willingness to listen.

TED KOPPEL: And on that note, Erin Hayes, let me thank you. I appreciate it very much.@PGPH That's our report for tonight. Tomorrow, on Good Morning America, Sarah Ferguson, and Evander Holyfield. Then, on the Nightline Friday Night Special, an unprecedented town meeting in the Watts section of Los Angeles with the director of Central Intelligence. He'll be answering questions about the lingering controversy over the CIA's alleged role in the crack cocaine epidemic during the 1980s.@PGPH I'm Ted Koppel in Washington. For all of us here at ABC News, good night.


The preceding text has been professionally transcribed. However, although the text has been checked against an audio track, in order to meet rigid distribution and transmission deadlines, it may not have been proofread against tape.

 
At 9:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, yeshivauguy, you get it! How many other Rabbis do you think are on this website reading this stuff. Blau obviously loves it. Hey, Blau, go back to the beis medrash where you belong, not here! This website is not your place! Boy, what a YENTA indeed! And he should have been in the beis medrash when he was writing his note here. Why am I not surprised?

 
At 9:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ouch! The "mashgiach ruchani" of YU actually makes an appearance on jewish whistleblower. either we've come up in the world, or he's really at the bottom of his pit. somebody ought to show this to richard joel. sorry, jwb, i hate to break it to you, i dont think its us that have come up in the world!

 

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