Accountability and transparency within our institutions and leadership.
posted by jewishwhistleblower @ 1:03 PM
Copy of Seruv at:http://www.getora.com/Rosenbloom.pdf
Get a life, Jewish whistler blower.
You got nothing else to post except some news that's 9 months old?ROTFLMAO
1) As it is Peasch, I am posting several names of men who have made their wives agunot in the hopes of freeing them so they can celebrate their 1st Pesach in many years as free women.2) The fact these women are still agunot is current news.
>ROTFLMAO(rolling on the floor laughing ...)The fact that the plight of an Agunah brings laughter to your belly is despicable.
JWB sez: The fact that the plight of an Agunah brings laughter to your belly is despicable.This from a man who prints unsubstantiated rumor and outright lies as fact??????Thanks for giving me a great laugh b4 pesach!!!!
Did you ask him why he does not give his wife a get? The Beit Din in Yerushalayim is STILL saying that the RCA and RMT should go to Beit Din or zablah to resolve this. Is the RCA moving forward on this or are they ignoring that part? If the RCA is ignoring the Jerusalem Beit Din, why should anybody care about a seruv?
>This from a man who prints >unsubstantiated rumor and >outright lies as fact??????>>Thanks for giving me a great >laugh b4 pesach!!!! I linked a copy of the seruv order.>Did you ask him why he does not >give his wife a get? Are you saying there is a justification to leave a wife an agunah?>The Beit Din in Yerushalayim is >STILL saying that the RCA and >RMT should go to Beit Din or >zablah to resolve this.Still saying is much different than a psak.>Is the RCA moving forward on >this or are they ignoring that >part? If the RCA is ignoring the >Jerusalem Beit Din, why should >anybody care about a seruv? Let RMT get a heter to take the RCA to civil court. What's the problem?
>Did you ask him why he does not >give his wife a get? Are you saying there is a justification to leave a wife an agunah?In my opinion - no. However, I know both Sam and Sarah and this was NOT an amicable divorce. I have an immense amount of respect for both of them and wish they would both handle things differently. Both have made HUGE mistakes.>The Beit Din in Yerushalayim is >STILL saying that the RCA and >RMT should go to Beit Din or >zablah to resolve this.Still saying is much different than a psak.So, you are saying that it is okay for the RCA to ignore the Beit Din in Yerushalayim? None of it was psak, it was all preliminary injunction. JWB - YOU sit so much at ease in Teaneck and fire your arrows in anonymity. Pathetic is an understatement. The RCA is AFRAID to go to Beit Din because they know they will lose. Personally, if I were RMT, I would go back to Jerusalem Beit Din and explain how the RCA actively damaged him (which was not said in original). Just my 2 cents.>Is the RCA moving forward on >this or are they ignoring that >part? If the RCA is ignoring the >Jerusalem Beit Din, why should >anybody care about a seruv? Let RMT get a heter to take the RCA to civil court. What's the problem?Huh? JWB - you smoking crack? The Jerusalem Beit DIn said to go to Beit Din or zablah! An organization or presumably Orthodox Rabbis will ignore the Beit Din? If the RCA wants to remain an honorable institution, its members will not allow its leadership to sully Torah the way they have with this entire episode. Rabbis who have no respect for Beit Din and halacha?!?!
>>>Did you ask him why he does >>>not give his wife a get? >>>>>>>Are you saying there is a >>justification to leave a wife>>an agunah?>>In my opinion - no. However, I >know both Sam and Sarah and this >was NOT an amicable divorce. I >have an immense amount of >respect for both of them and >wish they would both handle >things differently. Both have >made HUGE mistakes.So what? He should give her a get regardless of everything else.>>>The Beit Din in Yerushalayim >>>is STILL saying that the RCA >>>and RMT should go to Beit Din >>>or zablah to resolve this.>>>>still saying is much different >>than a psak.>>So, you are saying that it is >okay for the RCA to ignore the >Beit Din in Yerushalayim? None >if it was psak, it was all >preliminary injunction.1) It wasn't a psak, so no problem ignoring.2) Even if it was a psak, if it was wrong and the RCA knew the psak was wrong, halachically (I discussed this before) it can be ignored. (again see: http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2005/04/daas-torah.html )> JWB - >YOU sit so much at ease in >Teaneck .Assumptions, assumptions ... all wrong of course.>and fire your arrows in >anonymity. Pathetic is an >understatementAnd your name is ... anonymous?>The RCA is AFRAID to go to Beit >Din because they know they will >lose.Because the Bet Din system is corrupt.>Personally, if I were RMT, I >would go back to Jerusalem Beit >Din and explain how the RCA >actively damaged him (which was >not said in original). Just my 2 >cents.Why not just ask them for a heter to sue in civil court?>>>Is the RCA moving forward on >>>this or are they ignoring that >>>part? If the RCA is ignoring >>>the Jerusalem Beit Din, why >>>should anybody care about a >>>seruv? >>>>Let RMT get a heter to take the >>RCA to civil court. What's the >>problem?>>Huh? JWB - you smoking crack? >The Jerusalem Beit DIn said to >go to Beit Din or zablah! An >organization or presumably >Orthodox Rabbis will ignore the >Beit Din?See above. RMT has filed false information with the bais din. Statements by the bais din are based on those lies.>If the RCA wants to remain an >honorable institution, its >members will not allow its >leadership to sully Torah the >way they have with this entire >episode.As RMT and his supporters have sullied the Torah?>Rabbis who have no >respect for Beit Din and >halacha?!?!What respect have RMT or you shown towards halacha?When the real sanhedrin is re-established or today's corrupt beis din system is cleaned up, there will be respect.Today we have no central authority, no real smicha, no sanhedrin, no real psak. ANY 3 frum men can sit as a beis din. And what is their beis din's rulings worth? Whatever those who follow them value it.
>Huh? JWB - you smoking crack? >The Jerusalem Beit DIn said to >go to Beit Din or zablah! An >organization or presumably >Orthodox Rabbis will ignore the >Beit Din?So? Ask them for a heter to go to civil court. They will give it. They will be happy to wash their hands of this nonsense. They've already embarrassed themselves due to the lies RMT filed with them.Again, it's not a psak and even if it were, it is based on false information.
this blog has become so sad...you still can't cover any other topic in the universe without the entire discussion reverting to the disgrace going on in Monsey.You failed with the guy on long island, and now you failed again.
Yom tov is over - let the Lashon Hara begin!
"So what? He should give her a get regardless of everything else."Personally, I agree with you. Not for her sake but for HIS sake. However, when the man is the one victimized by the woman and her anger, where is the blog to defend him? Sam IS willing to give a get but there must be a tikkun for past actions and he has told this to the rabbanim. But, in this blog, only women are ever victims. Like I said, JWB, where are your great sources of info? You know - the ones that told you that the Feinsteins would never support RMT. You're a joke JWB and I read this for comic relief and to expose you for the fool that you are. You do more to harm the woman's cause than anybody on the Internet. understand why you keep your anonymity - you'd be laughed out of Teaneck as the biggest fool. To all those who read this shtus, you are reading fiction and lies from a fool who knows nothing, has no information, no sources, no knowledge and no insight. All he has is anger and the desire to destroy.
It's interesting the number of people who feel threatened enough by this blog that they have to attack JWB. If there wasn't any truth to the Tendler Affairs, then there would be no need for you to be so defensive of him. I know it's difficult for you to face reality. I think of all the time you waste posting your support of the alleged serial sex offender on this blog. How many orthodox rabbis have over 10 women coming forward saying they had sexual relations with him? Even if it was consensual, it's not ok. He was providing these women rabbinical advise. There are boundaries that should have been put into place. He's the Torah authority. He should know better. Even if all 10 of the women walked into his office naked it was up to him to say no. The truth is they didn't. They came to him for help, and he used his professionalism to manipulate them. He makes those of us who look at him at one time with respect feel totally ill. I also feel manipulated by this man, and he never met me in person. I feel manipulated by him because he used the accomplishments of his Grandfather to make the world believe he was a somebody. The reality is he's a NOBODY.
we have all been taken for fools...both by the Tendlers and by the anti-RMTs...both have lied to us all from the beginning for their own motivations and, yes, PROFIT...and we have permitted them both to lead us along....now both the RCA and the rabbis in Israel have let us know that everyone has lied from the outset, and we continue to blindly follow one camp or the otherten plagues on both of them for what they have BOTH done to us here
"It's interesting the number of people who feel threatened enough by this blog that they have to attack JWB."Excuse me, but as an objective outsider here it's clear that if anyone feels threatened it's JWB. Rather than report the facts he's been constantly putting his spin and slant on everything, e.g. calling the meeting a fiasco, and insulting anyone that wants to see evidence before destroying a man's like. He started this whole blog to destroy RMT, and he isn't going to tolerate any possible defense of him because that would mean that he had no reason to exist. It was a great idea-JWB. If only you're intentions would have been pure, it would have been a great service to Klal Yisroel. Unfortunately, your name is mud now- through your own doing- and noone will ever take you seriously.
"It's interesting the number of people who feel threatened enough by this blog that they have to attack JWB."Any outfit that portends to report news but instead reports lies is, in fact, dangerous. It does not matter if it is The New York Times, The National Enquirer, or a computer blog. It does not matter if the one telling the lies is Hitler, Stalin or JWB. Lies reported as news destroy. It is essential for lies that are depicted as news be revealed as lies. JWB is dangerous to innocent individuals that he chooses to attack and destroy."If there wasn't any truth to the Tendler Affairs, then there would be no need for you to be so defensive of him."Are you truly so naive and sheltered? When lies are reported about somebody, whether or not they are true, they cause damage to the individual. There is no escaping that reality. That is why it was so disingenuous for the RCA to claim it was an internal affair while, simultaneously, issuing public statements to thousands of Rabbis. RMT has been damaged REGARDLESS if the allegations are true or not. As the Jerusalem Beit Din stated, this requires a Din Torah. RMT says he wants a Din Torah. Do Orthodox Rabbis of the RCA truly believe in Orthodoxy is the current question or are they mere cardboard cutouts?
The Jewish Press definately gets the award for printing the most IGNORENT dribble. Why can't we get a Jewish newspaper that prints the truth? I am soooo sick and tired of the Jewish Press printing biased nonsense that ONLY a total idiot would believe.
>>"So what? He should give her a >>get regardless of everything >>else.">>Personally, I agree with you. >Not for her sake but for HIS >sake. However, when the man is >the one victimized by the woman >and her anger, where is the blog >to defend him? Sam IS willing to >give a get but there must be a >tikkun for past actions and he >has told this to the rabbanim. >But, in this blog, only women >are ever victims.What can I say? These despicable words speak for themselves. These are the people I'm speaking out against.No excuses, give the get.
"What can I say? These despicable words speak for themselves. These are the people I'm speaking out against.No excuses, give the get."Spoken as somebody who just does not get it. There is past, present and future. You can not change the present or future without first dealing with the past. JWB, you demonstrate your lack of knowledge of this specific case with your comments. You ask one party to take responsibility for the actions without asking the other party to take responsibility for their actions. Since you are SO smart, make Sarah correct her past vis-a-vis Sam and you will be shocked at how quickly a get will be forthcoming. Sam has told the rabbanim this as well. If Sarah wants a get so badly, why does she refuse? Obviously, her anger and spite matters more to her than her get.
>Since you are SO smart, make >Sarah correct her past vis-a-vis >Sam and you will be shocked at >how quickly a get will be >forthcoming. Sam has told the >rabbanim this as well. Just give the get.
"The Jewish Press definately gets the award for printing the most IGNORENT (sic) dribble."It looks like the genius who runs New Hempstead News blog is publishing comments here. He is grate at spelleng and grammerizing.
JWB - so you only defend women who are victims but when men are victims, it is okay? There shouldn't be any corrective behavior? Please, get off your self-righteous soap box. Either both men and women have to act and behave properly and with integrity, as bnai and bnot Torah or neither will. You apparently believe only one side must behave as a mature adult while the other side can do anything they want. This seems to mirror your opinions on RMT. You certainly are consistent in your bias and prejudices. It is this consistently slanted and skewed view that destroys all credibility that you might have otherwise had. It's a shame.
There's no excuse for not giving the get.
actually, JWB is completely wrong here.In Israel, the Rabbanut WILL NOT issue a Get until there is a Heskem regarding child visitation and child support. It's the law. Same in Britain and Australia, where no Get can be given until these matters are first decided.The notion that one immediately gives the Get no matter what is a new concept, and uniquely American, within the last generation. There is no basis in halacha, and halachic policy could not be more opposite in Israel, London or Australia. In fact, even within the US it is no longer the law in 17 states, although it remains possible to give a get prior to resolving these matters in New York and New jersey, which represent large Jewish populations, thereby adding to the confusion.
Luke Ford (www.lukeford.net) published a letter today from the only actual accuser of RMT to date, WITH NAME VOLUNTARILY INCLUDED. So much for JWB's contention that anonymity served a purpose. It's only purpose was to permit multiplication of rumors into "thruths" and represent that "12 women" had problems when only one actually came forth.Given what she says in her letter, the RCA and Israel Beis Din are completely correct. And clearly, BOTH SIDES HAVE LIED COMPLETELY HERE to further their own particular gain.JWB, once again you have been unmasked for the complete fraud that you are-- there was never a need to hide identities of the accuser, save to create a suggestion that there were many others. And it appears the Holy Rabbi was in a voluntarily adulterous affair.Ten plagues on both of your houses.
>Luke Ford (www.lukeford.net) >published a letter today from >the only actual accuser of RMT >to date, WITH NAME VOLUNTARILY >INCLUDED.1) Published several days ago.2) Not her current name.>So much for JWB's contention >that anonymity served a purpose. See above, not her current name.>It's only purpose was to permit >multiplication of rumors >into "thruths" and represent >that "12 women" had problems >when only one actually came >forth.Nine women came forward in the RCA/Praesidium report. That includes a 15 year-old girl and numerous agunot.>Given what she says in her >letter, the RCA and Israel Beis >Din are completely correct. Partially right.>And clearly, BOTH SIDES HAVE >LIED COMPLETELY HERE to further >their own particular gain.True of the RMT side.>JWB, once again you have been >unmasked for the complete fraud >that you are-- there was never a >need to hide identities of the >accuser, save to create a >suggestion that there were many >others.Again, nine alleged victims came forward in the RCA/Praesidium investigation.>And it appears the Holy Rabbi >was in a voluntarily adulterous >affair.The letter indicates the opposite. He was pressuring a women, at the time she was:1)an agunah,2)financially vulnerable3)being counselled through the process of getting a get by RMT.to have sex with him. She had to cautiously put off those advances as she feared he could torpedo her impending get.>Ten plagues on both of your >houses. Whatever.You clearly have no concept of the truth.
JWB writes:> You clearly have no concept of the truth.The irony in JWB writing those words is beyond description.
"At 6:16 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... There's no excuse for not giving the get."Not quite. When the husband has been victimized by the wife (as in this case), there is EVERY reason not to give the get.JWB - I thought you supported the victim fighting for their rights? I guess that only applies when the victim is the woman. Yet again, you have proven that you do not care a bit about the victim, all you care about is your personal political agenda. It's all about you, JWB, you, your ego and your self-righteous judgement of others. You continue to expose yourself over and over again. I feel sorry for the women who actually thought you were defending them when all you are doing is supporting yourself. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT VICTIMS! Poor JWB. Of course, he has to stay anonymous. Imagine if everyone in Teaneck discovered his identity?
>>There's no excuse for not >>giving the get.">>Not quite. When the husband has >been victimized by the wife (as >in this case), there is EVERY >reason not to give the get.Absolute nonsense. Obey the bais din, give the get. If there are remaining issues from the former marriage, retain legal counsel and go to court.Withholding a get is not the way to address these issues.>JWB - I thought you supported >the victim fighting for their >rights? I guess that only >applies when the victim is the >woman.Nonsense, I've championed both female and male victims. Clearly cases like the Rabbi Matis Weinberg case have male victims. As well, a number of husbands were victims of RMT as he used confidential information from counselling sessions to pit husbands and wives against each other, destroying lives and marriages.>Yet again, you have proven that >you do not care a bit about the >victim, all you care about is >your personal political agenda. All nonsense. What "political agenda"? I've been critical of the right, the left and everything in-between.>It's all about you, JWB, you, >your ego and your self-righteous >judgement of others. You >continue to expose yourself over >and over again. I feel sorry for >the women who actually thought >you were defending them when all >you are doing is supporting >yourself. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT >VICTIMS!More nonsense.>Poor JWB. Of course, he >has to stay anonymous. Imagine >if everyone in Teaneck >discovered his identity?Zero impact as many of your assumptions about me are false.By the way,why don't you reveal your identity tough guy?
interesting concept, but in explicit violation of dina d'malchuta dina in 17 states (and growing) as well as all halacha, as well as the law of Israel and the halachic process of the Israel Beis Din.One can no more give a Get prior to a civil divorce in 17 states today than one could write a ketuba prior to receiving a civil marriage license. It is now ILLEGAL, and just as ILLEGAL as a Moslem "divorce" from the old wife for a young one, or the Mormon "divorce" permitting multiple marriages.The problem in America today are beis dins and rabbis that are actively challenging this authority, and bearing no responsibility for their consequcences. There have now been at least 2 cases of Rabbis being dragged into court for interference in the judicial process/clerical malpractice. Hopefully, as cases such as this are "publicized" without responsibility for the truth,halacha or the laws of the United States, more will be sued ==along with irresponsible journalists who publish their lies to exert pressure.There have been numerous cases in which women have gotten their communities and Rabbis involved to "pressure for a Get" while simultaneously opposing divorce in the civil American court behind closed doors of family court until securing better financial terms or custody rights --which is why NO GET CAN BE ISSUED IN ISRAEL until a Heskem Gerushin is submitted relating to those two topics AL PI HALACHA . These are the agunot yopu pine over? Could the man legally give a Get under those circumstances in 17 American states? Is there any lawyer who would not be disbarred if he permitted his client to contravene the process for the sake of some screaming Jews who are violating their own Jewish law?No wonder JWB stays anonymous. These assertions would be impossible by a responsible journalist, and would get him sued in Maryland (and 16 other states) for attempting to circumvene proper judicial process and slander.OOOOOPS, but isn;t that the netire basis of his role against RMT as well??? :-)
"By the way,why don't you reveal your identity tough guy?"JWB - you should change your medication. You sling your arrows, slander people, make believe you are a journalist reporting facts when, in reality, this is all your personal editorial page, all while hiding behind anonymity, Jew Without Balls. JWB = WIMP.
There is no reason why a get cannot be left with the bais din for the wife to accept at some future point.
http://jewish.com/askarabbi/askarabbi/askr2200.htmGet: before or after civil divorce?Q: I am now separated for almost two years. The civil divorce is dragging out and will probably not be finalized for a long time. There is a stipulation in the civil divorce that will allow me to get a Get with no problem. My question is, do I have to wait for this civil divorce to come through? Or can I acquire this Get now. I want to go on with my life and how can I proceed with the Get as soon as possible?A: The current position of the Rabbinical Council of America Beth Din is not to require a finalized civil divorce before a get. If both parties are willing, they say do it before someone changes their mind.www.jewish.com/askarabbiCopyright (c) 1998 by Rabbi Dr. Joseph S. Ozarowski. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.marnelllaw.com/column.php...June 2004 - "Obtaining a Jewish Divorce - The GET"As a Jewish matrimonial attorney serving Long Island residents, I work with clients to obtain not only a civil divorce, but also The GET.A GET is a document under religious law, provided in the Torah, given by the husband and received by the wife, to terminate the religious union. To understand why a GET is necessary, it is important to understand the religious aspect of marriage. Similar to civil law, a Jewish marriage is a contract. Under religious law, when a couple marries, a husband acquires a wife with the payment of money, otherwise known as consideration, normally satisfied by the wedding ring. During the wedding ceremony, the husband gives the wife a ketubah, or marriage contract. Similar to a prenuptial agreement, the ketubah provides for the wife's support in the event of a divorce.According to Jewish religious law, a civil divorce is not sufficient to dissolve the ketubah. Instead, according to the Beth Din of Long Island, an orthodox religious court made up of rabbis, a GET must be obtained in order for a spouse to re-marry and to ensure that the children of the new marriage are legitimate under religious law. Until a GET is given by the husband and received by the wife, the couple remain married for the rest of their lives. The GET can be after a civil divorce or prior, provided that the couple has permanently separated and is no longer living together. The GET is obtained through the Beth Din, or through a Zabla, where each party selects a judge and then the third is selected by the two judges. Unlike a civil divorce, when both parties agree to the GET, there is no need to establish grounds for the divorce. With the proper documentation, including identification, judgment of divorce or separation agreement and ketubah, the procedure should take about one hour according to the Beth Din of Long Island. The Beth Din will ensure that the couple is freely seeking the GET, will write the GET and witness that it has been transmitted by the husband to the wife.At times, one party may not cooperate and seek to prevent the dissolution of the marriage. Section 253 of New York Domestic Relations Law provides that prior to a final judgment of a divorce, a plaintiff must agree to remove all barriers to the defendants remarriage or in the event of conversion from a separation agreement or an uncontested divorce, both parties must have agreed to remove all barriers to remarriage. This removal of barriers includes a religious divorce. Thus, a divorce under civil law would require the removal of such barriers, except in the case of a defendant in a contested divorce. In the event that one party refuses to provide the GET, other options also exist to dissolve the marriage.New York is one of the most difficult states in which to obtain a divorce, with only about one-third as many divorces as marriages in the state, as compared to the national average of one half as many divorces as marriages. For observant Jewish spouses, the GET must also be obtained in order to comply with religious law. However, the GET should not be feared by one contemplating a divorce to end a failed marriage....
http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/Rosenbloom_Sam.html#OU1)'Unchain your wife' Gaithersburg protesters urge man to give wife religious divorce by Sharon Samber, Special to WJW Washington Jewish Week - August 26, 2004 http://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/localstory.php?/wjw2/289161039270411.bsp Instead of lazily enjoying a clear and sunny day, a group of Jews stood outside a man's house last Sunday, shouting at him to divorce his wife. About 40 people gathered on a quiet Gaithersburg street, chanting slogans and holding signs intended to shame Sam Rosenbloom into giving his wife a get, a Jewish bill of divorce. The Rosenblooms received a civil divorce five years ago, after 13 years of marriage. According to Jewish law, when a couple gets divorced, the man is to present the woman with a get. Without one, a woman is forbidden to remarry and is therefore called an agunah, literally a chained or an anchored woman. "Sam Rosenbloom, unchain your wife!" the group clamored. Jewish communities have long tried to deal with the problem of agunot. In talmudic days, the Jewish courts used their authority to beat men until they agreed to give a get. Some communities excommunicated husbands who would not grant a divorce. Times have changed, but the Orthodox movement is still struggling with the issue of agunot, trying to find a way to prevent the problem without changing Jewish law. Reaching across geographic lines, last Sunday's protest was partly organized by the New York-based Organization for the Resolution of Agunot (ORA) and supported by the Washington-area Jewish Coalition Against Domestic Abuse (JCADA). Many of the protesters came from Baltimore, where Sarah Rosenbloom lives. ORA works with Jewish courts, rabbis, attorneys, psychologists and social workers to resolve current agunah cases and eliminate future problems. JCADA president Barbara Zackheim said although only a few agunot have called her organization, their problem is serious. "It's the last vestige of abuse that a husband can perpetrate on his wife," she said. "It"s incumbent on the Jewish community to help." This was the third protest to support Sarah Rosenbloom, and there may be more to come. It was unclear whether Sam Rosenbloom was home at the time of the protest. Rosenbloom is currently in contempt of the Baltimore Bais Din because he has refused to appear before that Jewish court and grant his wife a get. Rosenbloom could not be reached for comment. Since Jewish law states that a man must give a get of his own free will, the protesters found themselves needing to be both aggressive and deferential. "We do the best we can," said Etta Vogel, one of the women who came in from Baltimore. Positive thinking is essential, agreed her friend Molly Griner. "We never give up," she added. Griner was an agunah for 36 years until her "ex" husband died. She empathized with Sarah Rosenbloom and her four children. "It hurts a lot," Griner said. Bruce Luchansky of Baltimore, the protest's unofficial leader, said other creative ideas such as public advertising or an e-mail campaign might be employed in the future. A few people suggested picketing Rosenbloom's business, and Luchansky stressed the importance of remaining lawful. The protests are lawful but still grating on the nerves of the neighbors. One neighbor, who declined to give his name, drowned out the sounds of "Unchain Your Wife" and "Free Your Wife, Free Your Soul" with his car radio. He said he didn't understand what the problem was since the couple had been divorced for years. Derrick Cheung, who lives across the street, said it was hard for him to fully understand the situation since he isn't Jewish, but he could see both sides of the argument. In an interview Sunday night, Sarah Rosenbloom said that she was extremely grateful to all the people who went to support her. She had turned to ORA for help after her husband had physically abused her. Although she has done all she can through the beit din, she said her husband told her once he would "never, ever" divorce her. "It shocks me I'm in this situation," she said. Rosenbloom is hopeful that prenuptial agreements in which the husband and wife agree to refer their marital dispute to an arbitration panel for a decision, as well as changes in civil law, will help prevent other women from becoming agunot. A New York law (commonly referred to as the "get law") requires anyone who had a religious marriage ceremony and petitions for a civil divorce to demonstrate to the court that there is no impediment to remarriage. A similar bill was proposed in the Maryland legislature in 1999 and in 2000, but failed. Rosenbloom is unhappy that Jewish leaders did not galvanize around the issue. "The Jewish community is so darn passive, it's afraid of rocking the boat," she said. "Rabbis and community leaders have to realize it's a horrible situation." Orthodox rabbis are hoping prenuptial agreements and community pressure will eventually be enough to eradicate the issue of agunot. Rabbi Elly Krimsky, the assistant rabbi at Beth Sholom Congregation and Talmud Torah in Potomac, talked about the Rosenbloom case in his sermon last Saturday. Krimsky, who joined Sunday's protest, said he would not officiate at a wedding without a prenuptial agreement. But when it comes to community pressure, there is a fine line between forcing and influencing, he said. "We're struggling," he said. "We"re looking for ways to help." The use of prenuptial agreements is becoming more and more prevalent, according to Rabbi Yona Reiss, a lawyer and the director of the Beth Din of America, an Orthodox rabbinical court. The Conservative movement encourages prenuptial agreements and also accepts a change to the ketubah (Jewish wedding document) that is an attempt to guarantee that both parties will come before a beit din and live by that court's decision. The clause states either the husband or the wife can summon the other party to appear before a beit din to discuss the marital conflicts, and accept that there may be civil penalties if they refuse. Referred to as the "Lieberman clause," the change is named after the talmudic expert professor Saul Lieberman. Conservative authorities also are willing to annul a marriage in the case of a recalcitrant husband. Reform and Reconstructionist authorities do not require a get. Reiss could not answer how many agunot cases the Beth Din of America is involved in, saying only that there were a number of pending cases. "One such case is too many," he said. "And there's more than one case." 2)Getora September 25, 2004 The Awareness Center received an email from Rabbi Mark Dratch asking me to circulate the following information: The owner of the website mentioned below has not given his wife a get (a Jewish divorce Decree). He is non-complaint with the Beit-din (Jewish court panel). Until he gives a get, his wife cannot remarry. Please do not buy from his website. Let him know that this is unacceptable behavior. Sam Rosenbloom has a seruv issued against him by the Baltimore Beis din. A copy of the seruv can be viewed by going to http://www.getora.com/seiruvim.htm Mr. Rosenbloom owns and operates an on-line succah business at: http://www.succah.com We would like everyone to be aware of this information and request that people consult their local rabbi before purchasing anything from www.succah.com Thank you. www.getora.com 3)Succah Website Owner Flouts Beth Din; Denies Wife a Get. OU Strongly Recommends Not Buying from Site. OU - September 28, 2004 http://www.ou.org/other/5765/seruv.htm The owner of the website described below, www.succah.com (note: with this exact spelling only!), is in violation of Jewish law, in that he has not given his wife a get, a Jewish divorce decree. He has failed to comply with an order issued by the Baltimore Beit Din (Jewish court). Until he gives his wife a get, she is not permitted to remarry under Jewish law. Sam Rosenbloom has a seruv issued against him by the Baltimore Beit Din. A copy of the seruv can be viewed at http://www.getora.com/seiruvim.htm. Mr. Rosenbloom owns and operates an on-line succah business at www.succah.com (note: with this exact spelling only!). We strongly recommend that no Jewish person buy from his website, that no synagogue grant him an aliyah or other religious honor or benefit, and that no Jewish family invite Mr. Rosenbloom into their home or otherwise provide him with Yom Tov or Shabbat hospitality. If you have a question regarding this announcement, please contact your local Orthodox rabbi for the appropriate guidance. If you do not have an Orthodox rabbi available, you may email firstname.lastname@example.org for the name of an Orthodox rabbi in your area. www.ou.org
>JWB - you should change your >medication. You sling your >arrows, slander people,Only the truth.>make believe you are a >journalist reporting factsNever claimed I was a journalist.>when, in reality, this is all >your personal editorial page, That much is partially correct.>all while hiding behind >anonymity, Jew Without Balls. >JWB = WIMP.Says the coward/misogynist named anonymous.
"Says the coward/misogynist named anonymous."JWB - Promise that you will reveal your identity and I will reveal mine. Everybody here knows you won't because you are Jew Without Balls.By the way, Sam did indeed try to resolve this but Rabbi Hauer refused the phone calls from Sam's intermediary. It seems quite clear that the organizations involved, RCA, Baltimore Bais Din, etc. are interested only in their power and not resolving the questions at issue. It is their way or no way and it does not matter who they destroy.Personally, seeing how these rabbaim behave leads me to question the whole veracity of their modus operandi. The ties between the RCA and YU are strong. If these are the rabbaim who are at YU, ones that rejected a Beit Din and a din torah methodology for an anonymous, ill-defined process with no accountability, and the members are silent, cultist, koolaid drinking followers, I for one do not want my kids learning from these people.
The way to resolve this is for Sam to leave a get for his wife with the bais din.End of story.
"jewishwhistleblower said... The way to resolve this is for Sam to leave a get for his wife with the bais din.End of story. 5:49 AM"Wrong! Because there are issues and complaints on BOTH sides, the answer is for BOTH sides to go to Beit Din and resolve ALL issues. Your prejudice and bias and true colors shine through clearly.That is the problem with the way this process has been manipulated. Is the role of Beit Din to ensure that a get is given or that disputes are resolved? Yet again, American Orthodoxy has corrupted Torah due to secular influences. As others have said, in Israel the Batei Din have the right idea, i.e. the Beit Din resolves disputes where the get is just one part of the entire situation.
>Wrong! Because there are issues >and complaints on BOTH sides, >the answer is for BOTH sides to >go to Beit Din and resolve ALL >issues.Sam was summoned to a bais din and he refused to cooperate and is in contempt of bais din.>Your prejudice and bias and true >colors shine through clearly.If the prejudice is justice, I agree.>That is the problem with the way >this process has been >manipulated.No, the problem is Sam.>Is the role of Beit Din to >ensure that a get is givenYes.>or that disputes are resolved? Yes.But they are 2 seperate issues. Sam should not be usig the get as leverage.Give the get.Then address the rest.>Yet again, American Orthodoxy >has corrupted Torah due to >secular influences.Nonsense.>As others have said, in Israel >the Batei Din have the right >idea, i.e. the Beit Din resolves >disputes where the get is just >one part of the entire >situation.Give the get.
"Sam was summoned to a bais din and he refused to cooperate and is in contempt of bais din."Sam has attempted to communicate with Rabbi Hauer through a third party and the phone calls were rejected. Get Sarah to cooperate on ALL issues and the get is waiting. This is a 2-way street and BOTH parties have rights and obligations. Although in the your world JWB and the world of Awareness Center everything is a 1-way street.
"Give the get."Get Sarah to cooperate on ALL issues in dispute. Maybe Sam should get a group to demonstrate in front of Sarah's home until she is willing to have the disputes resolved? Tzedek, tzedek tirdof? Hah - what a joke.
>Get Sarah to cooperate on ALL >issues in dispute. Maybe Sam >should get a group to >demonstrate in front of Sarah's >home until she is willing to >have the disputes resolved? >Tzedek, tzedek tirdof? Hah - >what a joke.Give the get. Deal with the rest later.
"Give the get. Deal with the rest later."Why? Why not close the door on all issues and let both of them get on with their lives? Why should Sarah be allowed to hold a hammer over Sam's head? Let BOTH of them do the right thing and settle all issues. That is the reasonable, rational solution, assuming that we are seeking solutions and not agendas.
>Why? Why not close the door on >all issues and let both of them >get on with their lives?Because a get should not be used to gain leverage.>Why should Sarah be allowed to >hold a hammer over Sam's head?What hammer? He can give a get and go to court on the rest.I would note:>>In an interview Sunday night, >>Sarah Rosenbloom said that she >>was extremely grateful to all >>the people who went to support >>her. She had turned to ORA for >>help after her husband had >>physically abused her. (see article above)>Let BOTH of them do the right >thing and settle all issues. >That is the reasonable, rational >solution, assuming that we are >seeking solutions and not >agendas.Give the get.
Why go to court when you already have a Beit Din with the get? Settle everything at one time. That makes the most sense. But, the issue is that Sarah does NOT want to settle the other issues. She wants the hammer. As opposed to seeking solutions, all you care about JWB is your agenda. The people do not matter. The children do not matter. Just your agenda. What a pathetic, sad person you are. You take advantage of women to elevate yourself into savior when you could actually help ALL involved. Sad, sad, sad. With an ego like yours, you belong in Teaneck. ;-)
JWB has a clear agenda of attracting negative attention to Orthodox Jews and Orthodox institutions, often based on flimsy rumors and innuendo. Look no further than his post about the Ramaz Yeshiva bus "scandal" to see how far he will stretch in a feeble attempt to shame any Orthodox Jew.It should come as no surprise that JWB's blog is admired by racist and anti-Semitic websites.The "Badlands" is a white-supremacist and anti-Semitic site. That site lists JWB's link right alongside a short list of other premier white-supremacist and anti-Semitic links such as:Mark Godfrey's OntomiaThe Refugee CampNational VanguardThe White Picket FenceLittle Geneva...and has blog categories such asFor Fear of the JewsThe Holomocaust (sic)Jews Hate Christianityetc.Birds of a feather...
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