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posted by jewishwhistleblower @ 4:27 AM
Got Here first.
this would be the bet din of the same RCA that is ignoring its own seruv from the Rabbanut of Israel???this would be the same bet din that has been excoriated in virtually every posting on this site for the psat month?are you kidding??
>this would be the bet din of the >same RCA that is ignoring its >own seruv from the Rabbanut of >Israel???A seruv which is contemptible and based on RMT's lies.>this would be the same bet din >that has been excoriated in >virtually every posting on this >site for the psat month?No. As indicated many times over RMT was not taken to any beis din.>are you kidding??Are you stupid? At least we see how little compassion you really have to women left as agunot.Apparently, you RMT goons believe they are fair prey for your Shabtai Tzvi Rebbe.Disgusting.
I have absolutely nothing to do with the RMT issues...this is about advertising a man's reputation improperly, without proper civil procedure, and misrepresenting the hazmana of a bet din...and in terms of the earlier remark someone made about the RCA ignoring its own seruv from the bet din in Jerusalem, you are COMPLETELY correct....this is yet another case of the feminazis lynching some poor guy long before the facts are known, and then running under the cover of victimhood...let's expose THEM for once
>....this is yet another case of >the feminazis lynching some poor >guy long before the facts are >known, and then running under >the cover of victimhood...let's >expose THEM for once Hello... 1 year investigation by independent body.Why doesn't RMT get a heter and go to civil court if he feels he was wronged? There he would have full cross-examination and access to test any evidence.Oh yeah, they would be able to open up confidentiality agreements and speak to the victim he paid $100k. It would also be on the record, lies are so much harder to spread then.He can't have that can he?Better to use the beis din system which he can manipulate and his "spin machine".Kol harabonim areivim zeh l'zeh.
JWB has no interest in the truth. He has repeatedly lied and misrepresented many issues. Don't bother trying to convince him otherwise. He'll just call you names and dodge the issues.Here are a few of the lies that he has either stated personally or claims to have reposted from other sources:1) JWB personally spoke to Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven and they do not support RMT2) RMT is accused of rape3) RMT was kicked off of the YSV board4) That there is DNA evidence5) That there are "damaging" audio/video tapes6) That RMT tampered with a witness7) That RMT paid an accuser $100k8) That he has credibility, even through he hides behind his anonymous blog.9) That KNH is self-destructing10) That the KNH membership is against RMT11) That the KNH board is against RMT12) Etc. Etc. Etc.Of course, JWB will simply reply to this comment claiming that the above points are "not his assertion" or some other method of dodging his lies.Kol ha-lairs areivim zeh l'zeh.
I thought this site was about Rabbi Davis....is it impossible to discuss anything on JWB except the disgrace in Monsey??? and I refer to ALL sides up there disgracing all of Judasm --they should run those women out of town in cherem for sleeping around knowingly, and take their rabbi with them....Monsey, a town in whch every side is wrong!
>I thought this site was about >Rabbi Davis....is it impossible >to discuss anything on JWB >except the disgrace in Monsey??? I wish people would stick to topic. But what can I do? RMT's supporters have chosen to spam or repeat today's "talking points" on every thread.
>and I refer to ALL sides up >there disgracing all of Judasm -->they should run those women out >of town in cherem for sleeping >around knowingly, and take their >rabbi with them....Monsey, a >town in whch every side is >wrong! You're half right.
>Of course, JWB will simply reply >to this comment claiming that >the above points are "not his >assertion" or some other method >of dodging his lies.Please cite and link all these so-called comments. I believe you are wrong on virtually every point, except the ones that are actually true (which you dispute).
And cite them in a thread that relates to RMT.Let's stick to Rabbi Leonard Davis of Freeport, NY. You got a beef with the Bet Din of America (they had zero to do with RMT), with regard to RMT post it elsewhere.
"Please cite and link all these so-called comments. I believe you are wrong on virtually every point, except the ones that are actually true (which you dispute)."See, the above comment was right on the money - as expected.
>See, the above comment was right >on the money - as expected.How should I respond? I don't know what comments you are referring to. If you linked or reproduced them I could address them.But of course you are obviously not interested in that.
A Word from Behind the Mechitza at KNH:As awkward as it may be to break from the "sisterhood", your continued harping on Rabbi Tendler as a "deviant" of some sorts is simply false...he was a willing participant in adultry with grown woman/women. That violates halacha, and will cost him his position as a Rabbi, but the women are equally culpable if not outright seductresses.You seem no longer capable of distinguishing between any improper relationship and being a sexual predator --by your words, the minute an improper sexual relationship comes to light, the man is a predator and deviant, yet the woman is a victim. There lies your lack of credibility -- you cannot distinguish anymore between amourous trysts between consenting adults in violation of their marriage vows and molesting a 9 year old girl. No matter what, the equation for you seems to be All Men Bad, All Women Victims.The Tendler case is going to harm the orthodox feminist movement for years to come precisely because of this failure in credibility. He needs to go because, as the RCA rightly pointed out, he engaged in conduct improper for an orthodox rabbi -- he had an extramarital affair with very willing partner/s, and possibly seductress/es. You have destroyed, however, all of the rightful momentum that developed from the NCSY case by mislabeling this case as predator/victim because of an inability to acknowledge that the women were equally culpable, if not more so.Those of us behind the mechitza know the real facts, and this case has been badly misrepresented for feminist political motivation. I grieve for the lost opportunity, and for the misrepresentation of our community.We women are much more caught up in the vise between American culture and yiddishleit than the men. Halacha asks almost nothing of us, save for dressing like the clique and preparing lavish social affairs for company every shabbat. We claim that watching Sex and the City and Desperate Housewives does not effect us, and that we can compartmentalize the values of America from our own homes and families. Wrong. Time to accept that bitter truth and accept its consequences.These women need go immediately, as quickly as the Rabbi, not as heroes but as harlots.No one, and I mean absolutely no one, on this side of the mechitza has anything emotion other than utter revulsion for these women. They are, indeed, adultresses, and we all look forward to the men performing the distasteful tasks necessary halachically and civicly in weeding their imoral influences from our shul and community.All the purported sympathy posted on your blog comes from out-of-town feminists employing our local crisis for their own benefit and cause. There are so many important cases of abuse that demand not only publicity but credibility. The less said about the unfortunate events in our shul, from the perspective of the orthodox feminist cause, the better.A KNH Mother and Wife, for the Silent Majority of Eshet Chayil in the KNH Community
http://www.advocateweb.org/hope/notanaffair.aspWhy It's Not an AffairRev. Patricia L. LibertyRev. Liberty is the Executive Director of Associates in Education and Prevention in Pastoral Practice, PO Box 63, 44 Main Street, North Kingstown, RI 02852 AEPPP@aol.com 401-295-0698The issue of sexual contact between clergy and congregants is complex. Whenever a minister is exposed for such behavior the aftermath is traumatic for everyone involved. Churches feel betrayed, victims/survivors are marginalized and misunderstood and the families of all involved suffer greatly. This article is intended as an informational and educational forum to increase understanding about sexual contact between clergy and congregants.Oftentimes sexual contact between clergy and congregants is dismissed as an "affair" between "consenting adults". This is a misnomer for several reasons. First, the relationship between a clergy person and his/her congregants is professional in nature. That means that clergy have a responsibility to use the special knowledge, skills and gifts of their call for the benefit of those they serve namely their congregants. It also means that clergy have a responsibility to establish healthy professional relationships. Because clergy carry moral and spiritual authority, as well as professional power it is ALWAYS their responsibility to maintain an appropriate professional boundary.In practical terms this translates into clergy not pursuing or initiating sexual relationships with congregants (regardless of marital status of either party) and not responding to the sexual advances of congregants who may be interested in a relationship with their pastor. It also means that clergy will not engage in sexualized behavior with congregants. Sexualized behavior includes jokes, inappropriate touching, pornography, flirting, inappropriate gift giving, etc.Since the ministerial relationship is professional in nature, it is inappropriate to call a sexual encounter an affair. Affair is a term used to describe a sexual liaison between peers, or equals. In addition, the term affair focuses attention on the sexual nature of the behavior rather than the professional violation. It also places equal responsibility for the behavior on the congregant. Since clergy have a responsibility to set and maintain appropriate boundaries, those who are violated by clergy's inappropriate sexual behavior are not to be blamed even if they initiated the contact.This is a difficult concept for many people to grasp. We want to blame the congregant (usually but not always a woman) for the sexually inappropriate behavior of the minister (usually but not always a man). As tempting as this may be, it is wrong because it is always the responsibility of the minister to maintain the integrity of the ministerial relationship. The temptation to blame the congregant is also a reflection of the difficulty people have believing that a person who carries moral and spiritual authority, who is respected and trusted, can also be guilty of misusing the power and authority of the office. That denial and confusion causes tremendous damage to victims who need understanding and support as well as to churches that need clear, ethical, theological and faith based intervention to understand their betrayal. Blaming the congregant also means a failure to call the abusing pastor to genuine accountability. The focus needs to remain on the violation of the ministerial relationship.The term "consenting adults" also reflects a misunderstanding of sexual behavior between clergy and congregants. It is assumed that because two people are adults that there is consent. In reality, consent is far more complex. In order for two people to give authentic consent to sexual activity there must be equal power. Clergy have more power because of the moral and spiritual authority of the office of pastor. In addition, education, community respect and public image add to the imbalance of power between a clergy person and a congregant. Finally clergy may have the additional power of psychological resources, especially when a congregant seeks pastoral care in the midst of personal or spiritual crisis, life change, illness or death of a loved one. This precludes the possibility of meaningful consent between a congregant and their pastor.In our work with survivors of clergy abuse we often ask the question, "Would this have happened if he/she was your neighbor and not your pastor." Overwhelmingly the answer is "no". The witness of survivors underscores the truth that the clergy role carries with it a power and authority that make meaningful consent impossible.When speaking of sexual contact between clergy and congregants, the term professional misconduct or sexual exploitation is more accurate. It keeps the emphasis on the professional relationship and the exploitative nature of sexual behavior rather than placing blame on the victim/survivor. "An affair between consenting adults" is never an appropriate term to use when describing sexual contact between a minister and congregant. Accurate naming of the behavior is an important step to reshaping our thinking about this troubling reality in the church, how we name it reveals our belief about it. Holding clergy accountable with compassion and purpose and providing healing resources to churches and survivors is dependent on an accurate starting point. Only when we name the behavior accurately can we hope to have a healing outcome for all involved.
since the KNH spin macine has decided to invade this thread too, here is A MODEST SUGGESTION: IF AND WHEN KNH GETS A RAV WHO CARES ABOUT TORAH AND MORALITY, LET HIM DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM OF "THE ADULTEROUS WOMEN IN THE COMMUNITY". UNTIL THEN: SHUT UP AND STOP TRYING TO COVER UP FOR TENDLER WITH THIS DRIVEL!!!
The people spreading Lashon Haroh,Richilus and Motzei Shem Rah,obviously have one aim in mind,to bring down innocent people without any proper DD and without a Beis Din. They will go against what's written in the Torah,go against the Gedolim,go against logic .The women should be examined to see if they admit they were Mizaneh,and if that's the case,they must get a devorce.Instead JWB will not admit that they did anything wrong and pretend they are victims. They are victims to there Yetzer Horah.
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