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Who can victims/survivors go to for help? Rabbi Mordechai Tendler case exposes the sad simple fact that in the post-Lanner era little has changed.This seems to be the key question now again being asked. Where do you go? Who will help you? Who can you trust?I do not have the answers to these questions but let’s look at the organizations and individuals that failed victims/survivors in this situation and review what we’ve previously discussed.http://protocols.blogspot.com/2004_11_07_protocols_archive.html#1100399155332232301) OHEL and rabbinical leadersIn early 2003, several of the women who say they were sexually exploited by Rabbi Mordecai Tendler contacted Rabbi Dovid Cohen the Halachic advisor for Ohel for help. He did not help them.Various rabbinical leaders and community leaders were approached over the years. But nothing was done.2) Agunot advocacy organizations and their leadershipThey utterly abandoned and failed victims/survivors. At worst supported and continued to send women to Rabbi Mordechai Tendler, at “best” remained silent.http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/03/forward-agunot-leaders-split-on.html#comments3) Rabbi Mark Dratch (Jsafe) and the RCAIn December 2003, during the question-and-answer session of a Makor forum on rabbinical abuse, several female health-care professionals in the audience spoke with frustration about Rabbi Mordechai Tendler and made accusations of rabbinical sexual misconduct, which they reported has been going on for years.This led to the current long and protracted RCA investigation that has just in the last 9 days resulted in Rabbi Mordechai Tendler’s expulsion from the RCA.Rabbi Dratch initially put together investigation materials but stepped aside as others in the RCA took over the investigation as there was a feeling that there may be a conflict of interest due to Rabbi Dratch’s past involvement in the Awareness Center ( http://www.theawarenesscenter.org ). An outside organization Praedium was brought in to investigateVictims/survivors and other witnesses were told that their information would be treated confidentially and NOT handed to Rabbi Mordechai Tendler. They were betrayed. Although, Rabbi Dratch was certainly not the source of the RCA betrayal, he did make a mistake. He told victims/survivors that his colleagues would treat their information confidentiality, something he should never have done as his colleagues turned out to be far from honorable in this regard. Hopefully, in his Jsafe organization he will choose his colleagues with more caution. It is clear that he has lost some trust among victims/survivors as a result of this. It is also clear that in the future advocates helping victims/survivors will be less inclined to trust or tell victims/survivors to trust the RCA or Jsafe. Both will have to take steps to re-establish their credibility as trustworthy. The question remains today, can a victim/survivor go to the RCA for help? Can they trust that the RCA will act professionally? Can they trust that confidentiality will be respected?These questions remain.I would note:a. No counseling services/resources and no legal representation were provided to victims/survivors. Once again raising the question of why such resources are not available to victims of abuse in the general community.b. During the entire investigation, Rabbi Mordechai Tendler continued to act as a pulpit rabbi and provide counseling to women.I also want to clarify an important point. Rabbi Dratch has been criticized as part of the RCA for this betrayal. I believe Rabbi Dratch is a good and decent man. I believe he truly wants to make a difference. As I have posted in the past, he has a long commitment to this issue and has been a powerful advocate. He clearly understands that there is no simple solution to how to deal with these type of cases or how to advocate:http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2005/03/letter-to-me-from-rabbi-dratch.html>As far as the postings are concerned, I understand>Vicki's point. The allegations are usually true, the>information needs to be out there to help protect>others and to inspire others to come forward, etc.>At the same time, others are totally alienated from>her work because they feel that there are no checks>and balances and that anyone could possibly find>their names and pictures posted (inappropriately)>with no recourse, suffering untold damages, etc. I>don't know of an appropriate medium. Neither extreme>works for me. I know of the difficulties and sometimes>long lengths of time it takes to adjudicate and the>system often fails. I don't know the answer,>really. But I think that there needs to be some kind of>review process that takes many factors into account.>That will ensure greater credibility in the larger community>for the project and will be more ethically sound.>>One of my goals for JSafe is to convene a Think Tank>to explore questions like this, and others, with the>participation of survivors, halachic experts,>legal experts, ethicists, advocates, etc. and to try>to articulate policies that are appropriate and sound.>Then, with this backing, advocate those policies>on a large scale.I personally disagree with Rabbi Dratch in this regard. An initial review process in untenable. It is NOT possible to investigate these type of cases and come to conclusions like “guilty/innocent”. That is for the courts or a future Sanhedrin to determine. No other religion is taking such an approach and for good reason. Each and every case is difficult. It may take decades to understand the whole picture. Look how long the Rabbi Mordechai Tendler case has dragged on. That is why I advocate the same approach as other religions. Post all public cases that are documented in any way, shape or form. Put the information in the public’s hands.We are a very “rights of the abuser” focused society. This must change. The rights of the past/current/future victims should be equally focused on. It clearly isn’t.I would only remove cases when the parties involve make a formal request and submit to a full review by professionals directly in the field of sexual abuse who have both the education and experience to fully comprehend and analyze the dynamics involved.Here is a case I would like to see addressed by Rabbi Dratch/Jsafe:http://fluffykneidle.blogspot.com/2005/03/velamalshinim-al-tehi-tikva.htmlAnthony Roberts a former teacher at an Orthodox school in England was recently found “not guilty” of sexually abusing a 14 year-old student. Mr. Roberts maintains his innocence and will almost certainly be back in education in some Jewish community within a few years.Should he be back in education? What would/could Jsafe do?I know of cases in kashrut where shochtim with questionable behavior (unrelated to shita) were told that even though there was not enough evidence for a beis din to find them guilty, the fact that a chashas (suspicion) exists is enough that they are no longer welcome in kashrut. The justification? They should never have put themselves in a position where they could be compromised. As shochtm they must be beyond reproach.Should we not have stronger standards as to who works with our children then we have in kashrut?4) The Jewish press played an important role in this case. Both Gary Rosenblatt and Rukhl Schaechter (in particular) have written powerful articles.I would note that although I praise Rosenblatt for stories like Rabbi Lanner, I have been and continue to be critical of the arbitrary standards he applies to sexual abuse stories. If the general media had used similar standards, there would be no Catholic Church scandal. He has refused to do proper investigative reports on numerous cases such as, Rabbi Ephraim Bryks, Rabbi Lewis Brenner (see quote and link below regarding this area). He is too quick to acquiesce to senior RCA members in letting them investigate and deal with such situations quietly (Rabbis Bryks and Tendler). He has also delayed stories for no good reason (Rabbi Mordechai Gafni). As I’ve pointed out before, people turn to him for help believing that the reporter that broke the Lanner story will help them. Unfortunately, many victims/survivors find no help. He has simply refused to investigate many stories in this area. Unfortunately, he is the one reporter that everyone is referred to. “The professional dilemma this poses for me, and this newspaper, which already has a reputation — I believe undeserved — for Orthodox bashing, is whether we are now to become the central communal clearinghouse for dealing with and outing Orthodox Jewish officials with various sexual deviancies. I don’t think that’s our role.”http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=202&offset=90&B1=1&author=Gary%20Rosenblatt&issuedates=&month=&day=&year=&issuedate=00000000&keyword=LannerUnfortunately, there are few Jewish press reporters willing to even do stories in this area and the general media has been reluctant to do stories in this area. I was asked to list Jewish reporters who could be approached recently. I could only name the above 2. Many reporters after doing stories in this area are so disturbed by the material that they avoid doing further work in this area. Several reporters I have approached have told me exactly that.5) The Awareness Center ( http://www.theawarenesscenter.org ) was the one organization that showed backbone, the one organization that advocated for these women, the one organization that tried to find resources for them even when it had none of its own, the one organization that did not betray these women, the one organization that was not quiet and the one organization that put its reputation on the line for these women:If ever there was proof of the need for an advocacy organization like the Awareness center, it is stories like this.Now if only it had proper resources of its own.http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/donations.html
What??? Do not trust Rabbi Dratch! What political jargon and he's good at it making a lot of poltically correct statements especially promises to women. To say he had nothing to do with releasing confidential info. to Rabbi Mordecai Tendler? He broke confidentiality with the victims on purpose! He included their info. with out permission or knowledge of victims in what he wants to call only an "internal report" to RCA members who he was warned are peers, friends, and supporters of Rabbi Tendler. He was also warned that RMT was a member of the RCA, his own organization. Therefore he was aware of an internal affair problem. He violated victims rights who did not want to go forward for the sake of doing everyhting to get RMT. He didn't regard victims as valid equal human beings who not only know their abuser but know how this case should be pursued. And Dratch didn't pursue it, or did in the manner that a boys club would; finding himself with a lack of witnesses and proof he through the vicitms to the abuser and dogs knowing that their claims and its exposure would support his case. He incriminated the victims for his agenda and honor resulting in so much damage of the victims who have no protection. No protection because there is no case made in a RCAs' herring or a court that has a format where fairness is acountable. No protection because violating confidentiality resulted in the abuser threatening witnesses. No protection because his advise to victims were subjectively made for the purpose of protecting his legal ass and not them. They were left being threaten and the 15 month to do nothing advise he gave resulted in some women being out of legal jurisdiction or not knowing an investigation was being made. Now all the private and confidential info. true and untrue, is up for grabs at both ends damaging all parties, especially on this internet site. He knowingly betrayed the women and how frightening it is that he will be heading an abuse organization. He's worst then Rabbi Tendler in betrayals of relationships. And the awareness center. What??? Her mission at all expense of the victims is too get the sexual abuser. She betrays all private info. just as Rabbi Dratch. Both exchanged and vilolated confidential info. with eachother and to their other "peers"; not "just that Rabbi Dratch gave it to his own RCA peers”. You are all peers with eachother who exchange private info. like Martha Steward did in her own business as Rabbi Mordecai Tendler had at the RCA. Just a differrent mission.
What??? Do not trust Rabbi Dratch! What political jargon and he's good at it making a lot of politically correct statements especially promises to women. To say he had nothing to do with releasing confidential info. to Rabbi Mordecai Tendler? He broke confidentiality with the victims on purpose! He included their info. with out permission or knowledge of victims in what he wants to call only an "internal report" to RCA members who he was warned are peers, friends, and supporters of Rabbi Tendler. He was also warned that RMT was a member of the RCA, his own organization. Therefore he was aware of an internal affair problem. He violated victims’ rights who did not want to go forward for the sake of doing everything to get RMT. He didn't regard victims as valid equal human beings who not only know their abuser but know how this case should be pursued. And Dratch didn't pursue it, or did in the manner that a boys club would; finding himself with a lack of witnesses and proof he through the vicitms to the abuser and dogs knowing that their claims and its exposure would support his case. He incriminated the victims for his agenda and honor resulting in so much damage of the victims who have no protection. No protection because there is no case made in a RCAs' herring or a court that has a format where fairness is acountable. No protection because violating confidentiality resulted in the abuser threatening witnesses. No protection because his advise to victims was subjectively made for the purpose of protecting his legal ass and not them. They were left being threatened and the 15 month to do nothing advise he gave resulted in some women being out of legal jurisdiction or not knowing an investigation was being made. Now all the private and confidential info. true and untrue, is up for grabs at both ends damaging all parties, especially on this internet site. He knowingly betrayed the women and how frightening it is that he will be heading an abuse organization. He's worst then Rabbi Tendler in betrayals of relationships. And the awareness center. What??? Her mission at all expense of the victims is too getting the sexual abuser. She betrays all private info. just as Rabbi Dratch. Both exchanged and vilolated confidential info. with eachother and to their other "peers"; not "just that Rabbi Dratch gave it to his own RCA peers”. You are all peers with eachother who exchange private info. like Martha Steward did in her own business as Rabbi Mordecai Tendler had at the RCA. Just a differrent mission. 2:05 AM
Rabbi Dratch's letter to Naomi of www.jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com: wrote to Rabbi Dratch asking him which cases he thought should be removed from the AC website. I told him that some survivors are concerned about his new organization. Here is his response to me, (with his permission to post it).Dear Naomi:>> Thank you for your email and your concern.>> I empathize with you and appreciate the hard> struggle that you must be going> through as a survivor. I do not know you or your> story, but I do know that> the path is not easy, neither while suffering the> abuse nor after it. I admire > your strength and stamina.>> Vicki is doing many wonderful things with her> project and has been a source> of help and inspiration to many through her website> and its related services.>> I feel very privileged to have had the opportunity> to speak out and write on> these issues, help some survivors along the way, and> work for systemic change> in the Jewish community to help prevent and> appropriately respond to and help > those who need it. JSafe was an outgrowth of that> commitment. My only agenda> is to help.>> I know that there are many different perspectives on> just about every issue > that we face. I know that sometimes what is> important to one segment is> alienating to another, and vice versa. Advocates> at times, to some, seem to be too> "advocatey" (pardon the unsuccessful coining of a> new word) and establishment> types at times, to some, too "establishmenty." >> As far as the postings are concerned, I understand> Vicki's point. The > allegations are usually true, the information needs> to be out there to help protect> others and to inspire others to come forward, etc.> At the same time, others> are totally alienated from her work because they> feel that there are no checks> and balances and that anyone could possibly find> their names and pictures> posted (inappropriately) with no recourse, suffering> untold damages, etc. I don't> know of an appropriate medium. Neither extreme> works for me. I know of the> difficulties and sometimes long lengths of time it> takes to adjudicate and the> system often fails. I don't know the answer,> really. But I think that there> needs to be some kind of review process that takes> many factors into account.> That will ensure greater credibility in the larger> community for the project> and will be more ethically sound.>> One of my goals for JSafe is to convene a Think Tank> to explore questions> like this, and others, with the participation of> survivors, halachic experts,> legal experts, ethicists, advocates, etc. and to try> to articulate policies that > are appropriate and sound. Then, with this backing,> advocate those policies> on a large scale.>> I appreciate your comment, "We want to believe in> you and what you are> doing." That's why I am doing what I am doing.> Leaving the pulpit and going into> this work full time is a risk for me, professionally> and personally. But I> believe in it.>> Unfortunately, there are misunderstandings and> misrepresentations out there> that I will not or cannot respond to. (That's a> much different conversation.) > I hope that my track record has proven my> commitment, sensitivity and> responsiblity. And I hope that I can use my> position as a male, as a rabbi and as a> community leader to help further the cause. Some> may not like every thing I> say or do, or the way I say it or do it... I> understand that and I hope that> they will understand and appreciate that they have a> friend and ally and> supporter in me-- and that together we can make a> difference for survivors as> individuals-- and for the community at large.> > Anonymous blogs are both wonderfully safe havens for> peoplemto find help and> support and, at the same time, spaces for people to> make uninformed> conjectures and critiques about things that they> know little or nothing about. The> former is great, the latter can be destructive and> ultimately unhelpful.>> Thakns so much for writing. I hope I have answered> your questions. Please> feel free to be in touch at any time. I appreciate> your perspectives and will> certainly consider them very carefully. It helps me> to learn, understand and> see things in ways I need to learn, understand and> see them.> > Mark Dratch posted by Naomi at 5:14 PM on Mar 24 2005
>He knowingly betrayed the women >and how frightening it is that >he will be heading an abuse >organization. He's worst then >Rabbi Tendler in betrayals of >relationships. I definately think that is an overstatement. But it is clear that he does not have the necessary background or training and in this case that contributed to a "blind spot" when dealing with his RCA colleagues. He certainly was burned by them as well.>And the awareness center. >What??? Her mission at all >expense of the victims is too >getting the sexual abuser. She >betrays all private info. just >as Rabbi Dratch. Both exchanged >and vilolated confidential info. >with eachother and to their >other "peers"; not "just that >Rabbi Dratch gave it to his own >RCA peers”.I think if you spoke to victims/survivors that have dealt with Vicki, that your claims simply aren't true.>You are all peers >with eachother who exchange >private info. like Martha >Steward did in her own business >as Rabbi Mordecai Tendler had at >the RCA. Just a differrent >mission.You'd be surprised at how little information is exchanged between various groups primarily due to confideniality concerns.
anonymous wrote:"And the awareness center. What??? Her mission at all expense of the victims is too getting the sexual abuser. She betrays all private info. just as Rabbi Dratch."Just for the record, that has NOT been my experience in all my dealings with Vicki Polin (regarding a rabbi NOT Tendler). She was extremely conscientious about not breaking confidentialities.
Victims should have been provided legal representation by the community to protect their rights.The fact that the RCA and Rabbi Mordechai Tendler had legal representation, while victims/survivors had none shows were the rights/survivors of victims rank in our community.
JWB wrote:"You'd be surprised at how little information is exchanged between various groups primarily due to confideniality concerns."I can confirm that. In fact, there were a few times I was frustrated by things that I wanted to know, but at the time could not be disclosed to me due to confidentiality. So whoever is trying to bash Vicki in the other comment simply does not know what they are talking about.
It seems to me that the RCA needs to quickly and publicly address their failings to the victims in this case if they are to regain any credibility.They need to revise their proceedures totally (yes I know it was dealt with under the old system, but does the newer one work any better?) and make them public.It appears to me that they have expelled Rabbi Mordechai Tendler but have washed their hands on their obligations to his victims. With continung attacks on victims and supporters (including websites with names and photos) the RCA has an obligation to speak out in their defense NOT remain silent in the face of this evil.I hope reporters put these questions to them at the RCA Annual Convention May 15th-May 17th at the Newark Airport Hilton.
And what happened to Luke Ford?He contributed a great deal to this, but these days seems to only be writing about politics and that awful 70's era band Air Supply.(?)
Let's figure something out here. Just what exactly does the RCA owe the "victims"? When you get right down it, the "victims" entered into a consensual sexual relationship with a married man. They knew he was married. None of the "victims" as far as I know, were underaged. Supposedly some or most of them were married themselves. So, they allowed themselves to be seduced, correct? Maybe they wanted the sex also! Obviously they did. Some of them thought that they loved RMT and that he loved them. He supposedly told them that he loved them. They CHOSE to have sex with him, or at least fool around. So...where does that leave the RCA? What is the RCA supposed to do for these "victims"? The RCA tossed out RMT. Everyone knows why. Only RMT's deluded blinded brainwashed followers continue to believe him. And you know what? That's their right. If these poor benighted souls want to have RMT as their Rav, that is their choice. It is a free country. What exactly do the "victims" want? What can the RCA do for them? The "Victims" want to be anonymous, probably because most of them are "aishus eesh" so there is a halachic problem if it becomes known they were screwing around with the local rabbi. As far as people out side the Tendler shul go, what exactly are they trying to achieve? If the Tendler people want him as a Rav, then they can have him. It's a free country. RMT is not charged with violating the law. The laws against adultery are not prosecuted anymore. So, where does that leave us? That he has been seducing women for years, you will either choose to believe it or not. Beyond that, whether or not he remains as Rav is up to him and his shul. No one has to daven at his shul if they don't want to.
If the victims want something out of this, they need to go a tribunal with teeth. The only one is the secular court system. What they could claim there is who knows what. They can't say they were raped, as far as I know.
>Let's figure something out here. >Just what exactly does the RCA >owe the "victims"?Tzedek, tzedek tirdof...These people want to be our community leaders? Then they must lead.>When you get right down it, >the "victims" entered into a >consensual sexual relationship >with a married man.Who was counselling them and who exploited them. In other states such a relationship is NOT consensual. If the rabbanute was actually a professional body (as with doctors, pychiatrist etc.) such behavior would not be tolerated or allowed.>...>So...where does that leave the >RCA? What is the RCA supposed to >do for these "victims"? The RCA >tossed out RMT.Let them speak out and defend his victims like community leaders should be expected to do.>Everyone knows why. Only RMT's >deluded blinded brainwashed >followers continue to believe >him. And you know what? That's >their right.Correct, but let's not pretend they within the Orthodox framework by following their Shabtai Tzvi.>If these poor benighted souls >want to have RMT as their Rav, >that is their choice. It is a >free country. What exactly do >the "victims" want? What can the >RCA do for them? The "Victims" >want to be anonymous, probably >because most of them are "aishus >eesh" so there is a halachic >problem if it becomes known they >were screwing around with the>local rabbi. As far as people >out side the Tendler shul go, >what exactly are they trying to >achieve? If the Tendler people >want him as a Rav, then they can >have him. It's a free country. >RMT is not charged with >violating the law. The laws >against adultery are not >prosecuted anymore. So, where >does that leave us? That he has >been seducing women for years, >you will either choose to >believe it or not. Beyond that, >whether or not he remains as Rav >is up to him and his shul. No >one has to daven at his shul if >they don't want to.Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is a rasha. Those around him have tolerated and enabled him for years. He has used his standing within numerous community organizations to prey on agunot. The leadership of our community is supposed to protect the vulnerable from rashas like him, not stick there heads in the sand. Their silence has brought things to this point, now they need to do michilah for their silence through action.What can they do? Speak out against this new Shabtai Tzvi and his followers before more damage is done.Or do you believe that it is the role of our leaders to remain silent in the face of abuse and evil?
>If the victims want something >out of this, they need to go a >tribunal with teeth. The only >one is the secular court system. >What they could claim there is >who knows what. They can't say >they were raped, as far as I >know. There are certainy actionable claims. But how does this protect Jewish women in the community from him?He'll just settle the claims and get victims to sign confidentiality agreements. He's already done that with one victim to the reported tune of $100,000.
Well, you still have not answered any of the questions with any detail, except to say that you want other community leaders, meaning rabbis, I guess, to "speak out" against RMT. What does this mean? That other rabbis should condemn RMT from their own pulpits? That they should go on speaking tours and have as their subject RMT and his sex life? That they should write articles on the subject of RMT and publish them? How exactly would any of this help anybody? RMT and his followers would just continue to deny everything, the victims would go on being victims and nothing much would be accomplished except maybe get a lot of people excited and hot under the collar. This would not help the victims at all in any way that I can see. The RCA has already taken action. You think they should publish all the juicy details about how RMT seduces women and his sexual preferences? What would that accomplish? You are not making a lot of sense.
Unfortunately for the victims, if they want relief they may need to come forward and publicly identify themselves and tell their story. It's awfully hard to get relief if you stay anonymous. RMT's followers continue to say they don't believe the stories they are hearing second and third hand. If you will notice, in all the Catholic church scandals, the victims identified themselves in court, in situations that are arguably worse than what the victims here were involved in. Without flesh and blood victims willing to come forward and tell their stories first hand, it is hard for anyone, even members of the RCA, to do much more than kick RMT out of the organization.
Check out "JewishIdea.blogspot.com" for interesting commentary on this situation.
I feel the need to bring an important issue up on this blog. Perhaps everyone can ask Rabbi Mark Dratch, which cases in particular he objects to being on The Awareness Center's site.http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.htmlI think it's important for us all to know. I'm hoping he will post his list of the objections here. Also he says that JSafe is a registered not-for-profit in the state of New York. To be registered you have to have a board of directors established, and the names of those members are public information. I am very curious who those board members are. Why is it that when he is asked directly he changes the topic? Who's on his board that he's hiding?
After reading the letter Rabbi Dratch wrote to the Jewish Survivors Blog. I realized he never answered the questions asked. It's obvious he wants The Awareness Center to take down the whole list of alleged and convicted offenders. He wants his new organization to have the control of that area or concept. First of all let's say there is one or two up there that are innocent, there are ways for them to come down. The Awareness Center has a set of protocols for that to happen. The reality is that there are some very dangerous people up on that list. I vote in favor of protecting our children, and also those who may be potentially fall prey to sexual misconduct of rabbis, teachers, doctors, etc. There is no organization that's perfect. The methods employed by The Awareness Center may seem radical. The reality is they are the only ones I know of who are actually doing something to protect our communities from alleged and convicted sexual predators. I vote in favor of protecting survivors of sexual violence, their families, and any potential victims. NO MORE PROTECTING OFFENDERS!
"When you get right down it, the "victims" entered into a consensual sexual relationship with a married man. They knew he was married. None of the "victims" as far as I know, were underaged. Supposedly some or most of them were married themselves. So, they allowed themselves to be seduced, correct? Maybe they wanted the sex also! Obviously they did. Some of them thought that they loved RMT and that he loved them. He supposedly told them that he loved them. They CHOSE to have sex with him, or at least fool around."Oh here we go again. When are people going to learn, that anytime SOMEONE IN A POSITION OF POWER ABUSES THEIR POWER AND AUTHORITY by engaging in sexual relationships with a 'client', whether doctor, teacher, priest, rabbi, THAT RELATIONSHIP is ipso facto abusive by the very nature of it being an ABUSE OF POWER.Perhaps a poll should be taken, JWB--- ask survivors in a seperate post how many experienced persuasion by physical seduction offered as "healing", "therapeutic", etc?You might be surprised by the answers.
Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is a rasha he preys on vulernable women and agunot. Our community leaders have an obligation to speak out against him, particularly those who were formally associated with him.The RCA has an obligation to clarify the record and NOT allow Rabbi Mordechai Tendler to use their silence to misrepresent the reality of the situation.
"First of all let's say there is one or two up there that are innocent, there are ways for them to come down. The Awareness Center has a set of protocols for that to happen."There are far more than one or two rabbis posted on the AC site who are innocent, or who at least don't deserve to have their reputations destroyed by their presence on the site. There are rabbis whose accusers have admitted they lied, and all charges were dropped. There are those who are dead and clearly pose no danger. There are those who have met every single one of the criteria posted for being taken off the site. And so on and so on. Yet Vicki Polin has not been willing to remove a single case. It is ridiculously easy to get posted on the site (all it takes is one unsubstantiated rumor), but, in fact, impossible to be removed. There is no checks and balance system in place to verify that the accusations posted are true (many, indeed, are not), and the damage in this Internet age is devastating, often FAR outweighing whatever incident the person is being accused of.In extreme cases, I admit that public shaming may be the only effective recourse to get a dangerous predator stopped. But that is NOT the case with many of the rabbis posted on the Awareness Center site, which is why so many people have distanced themselves from it...and why most members of its board have resigned in disgust.
>It's obvious he wants The >Awareness Center to take down >the whole list of alleged and >convicted offenders. He wants >his new organization to have the >control of that area or concept. My impression is that Rabbi Dratch has no clear idea of which names should't be up there (otherwise he would have an obligation to defend those named persons).It is clear that the community leadership are against this list as everyone on that list has some supporters somewhere declaring their innocence or that they have done "teshuva".Why is the leadership so against it? Because it is so effective in warning people. It gives people a simple source of information that's easy to find. There is no alternative and frankly it's clear that Jsafe at this point doesn't have one either (otherwise they could put up a competing page). I frankly would like to see others expand the concept to deal with men who leave their wives agunot and men who physically abuse spouses. We may not be able to save the 1st wife, but we can at help insure that it is the last wife that is left an agunah or is beaten.With the numbers of Jewish women left agunot and utilizing shelter resources rising, it's clear that the traditional responses to this problem have failed and that our leadership has failed.It's time for a new response, a new leadership and the utilization of new technologies in a way that has never been possible before.Our organizations and leaders have failed. Our media too often is too "soft" in it's reporting. So what is the answer. Let's follow the lead of the Awareness Center the only shining example in this whole sordid affair.Let's change the world, here and now. Let's make the bad people and there enablers angry and fearful. Let's take the light of the internet and shine it upon the Rabbi Mordechai Tendlers, the Rabbi Boruch Lanners and the Rabbi Ephraim Bryks of this world.Our leaders can't protect us or our families. It's time we protect each other.Rabbi Dratch has worked hard on this issue but it's clear his colleagues are at least a decade behind. Remember, Dratch published his RCA Roudtable Child abuse document a decade ago and the RCA has only adopted it in the last year or 2. The problem is that the Rabbanute is not taking steps to deal with errent colleagues. No one is taking responsibility, no one is taking steps to address the issue. Who is to substantiate the allegations and how? Until the Rabbanute want to address this and take care of the cracks (grand canyon sized cracks) they shoulder the blame for the necessity of what The Awareness Center does. If the Rabbanute: 1) set up a registry like the mamzerut registry in Israel to deal with sexual predators, 2) ensured vivtims of abuse received proper resources there would be no need for the Awareness Center or Polin's efforts. Because the Rabbanute continues to look the other way, measures are needed. Other religions have taken similar steps to put public materials in easy to search webpages. Why should we tolerate fewer protections? The curent Rabbi Mordechai Tendler case is an example of why you need the Awareness Center: 1) Tendler was not suspended during the investigation. No protections for potential victims in the interim. 2) Rabbanim knew of his abusive behavior going back years and took no action. 3) Agunot and women's groups are silent as they are beholden to him. 4) Decades of delay and an investigation that has stretched on 15+ months. 5) I'm told that proper resources (counselling and legal) were not being provided to victims. Until the Rabbanute truly addresses the issue, I support more rather than less information. This reminds me of a tshuva by Rabbi Moshe Feinstein on the death penalty: Here's Rabbi Mordechai Friedfertig take on this."This week I revisited a fascinating responsa written by the greatest halakhic authority of this generation, Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. On Purim day of 1981, Reb Moshe responded to a question by the Governor of the State of New York, Hugh L. Carey (Hugh Carey was governor at this time, although his name does not appear in the Teshuvah. Igrot Moshe, Chosen Mishpat 2-68). The question was: what is the Jewish view of the death penalty? Reb Moshe begins by expressing his feelings of love and awe to the Governor because of his desire to know the opinion of the Torah on the matter. Reb Moshe points out that the Torah specifies the death penalty only for the most heinous of sins -- murder, kidnapping, forbidden sexual relations and idol worship -- because by committing these crimes a person abandons goodness and follows a path of cruelty. This being said, the Torah is extremely limiting on who may be killed, and by whom. First of all, a Sanhedrin of 23 men must be present, and must consist of only the most proficient and sensitive of Sages, who have received semikhah -- ordination -- which comes from Moshe Rabbenu. This court can only judge capital cases when the Temple is standing and the great Sanhedrin of 71 is in place. The crime must have been witnessed by two individuals, who are not be related to one another or the assailant, and who must be thoroughly interrogated and informed about the gravity of their testimony. There must have been a warning, detailing the prohibition that was about to be transgressed and the punishment such a transgression would incur. Finally, exact procedure must be followed as specifically laid out in the Halakhah. Only under these circumstances can the death penalty be imposed. But Reb Moshe concludes with an incredible about face. He tells the Governor that when we live in a society where cruelty pervades and killing is rampant, and where murderers and those who commit acts of evil are abundant, it is most proper for the government to protect its citizens and to check lawlessness (See also Makkot 1-10; Rambam, Hilkhot Melachim 3-10). So concludes his responsa on the death penalty." If Rabbanim continue to: 1. prevent Clergy mandated abuse reporting laws 2. ignore the problem 3. continue to actively silence victims 4. protect predators and 5. leave our communities without any mechanisms to deal with such predators. Then these Rabbonim create an atmosphere where "...we live in a society where cruelty pervades ...and where ... those who commit acts of evil are abundant," and these Rabbonim are preventing and hindering the government from: "... protect(ing) its citizens and ... check(ing) lawlessness." In my humble opinion not only is "it is most proper for the government to protect its citizens and to check lawlessness", but if the government and our leaders refuse "to protect its citizens and to check lawlessness", we MUST do so ourselves.A freilicha Purim and a good eruv Shabbos.
>In extreme cases, I admit that >public shaming may be the only >effective recourse to get a >dangerous predator stopped.Can you give me a single example of a dangerous sexual predator who was stopped and where he no longer represents a danger?>But that is NOT the case with >many of the rabbis posted on the >Awareness Center site,I disagree. Not only do I believe they should be up there, I believe there are many times the number up there that need to be put up as well.>which is >why so many people have >distanced themselves from >it...and why most members of its >board have resigned in disgust. A complete misrepresentation of why members of the board have resigned. Try phoning them and getting some real quotes instead of your false smears.
"There are far more than one or two rabbis posted on the AC site who are innocent, or who at least don't deserve to have their reputations destroyed by their presence on the site. There are rabbis whose accusers have admitted they lied, and all charges were dropped. There are those who are dead and clearly pose no danger."Well, if you are so absolutely certain-----which ones? Name them.
"A complete misrepresentation of why members of the board have resigned."Really? Then why don't you tell us why so many of the board members have quit?
I just reviewed the list and have no problems with ANY of the 62 named Rabbis being on this list.As to:>There are those who are dead and >clearly pose no danger. I have no problem putting Carlebach's name up. He was a pure rasha. Community leaders failed Carlebach's victims while he was alive and now owe it to the victims to at least publicly affirm their abusive experiences with him rather than to continuing to silence their voices. It is obscene to give kavod in death to this rasha instead of compassion and assistance to his living victims.Should we look forward to Rabbi Baruch Lanner minyanim after his death? Maybe we'll change the name of NCSY to LaNnerCSY, since he did such great kiruv?What an obscenity.
>Really? Then why don't you tell >us why so many of the board >members have quit? I thought you had the answers?There are various reason all of which do not corespond to your assertion.Again contact them directly, many of us have posted on various people including Rabbi Dratch. I personally know of no former board member who has said that they "resigned in disgust" as you have asserted.
Oh, what a tragedy, to see a great rabbinical force destroyed over such a disgusting event. Yes, it will be a great blow to the American Rabbinate to see the RCA ruined for the stupid nonsense they perpetrated. This will become clear in the coming week as rabbonim from all over America join to support RMT and objurgate the kangaroo court the RCA has become.
>Oh, what a tragedy, to see a >great rabbinical force destroyed >over such a disgusting event. >Yes, it will be a great blow to >the American Rabbinate to see >the RCA ruined for the stupid >nonsense they perpetrated. This >will become clear in the coming >week as rabbonim from all over >America join to support RMT and >objurgate the kangaroo court the >RCA has become.Bring it on.I can't wait to see what lowlifes have chosen to leave the Orthodox world and join forces with this generation's all-new Shabtai Tzvi.Please go after the RCA. Please force them to break their silence and reveal the lies Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is spreading about all of this.Please.
JWB: You still have not explained just what exactly other rabbis and community leaders are supposed to do about RMT. No one disputes your assertion that when a Rabbi uses his position to get sex from women who come to him for help that that is an abuse. But you still have not explained what we are supposed to do about it.
>This will become clear in the >coming week as rabbonim from all >over America join to support RMT I suggest thos rabbonim speak to Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven before doing so. If not they will have transgressed the severe prohibition of giving undue respect to a rasha. (YD 151-14, Rambam Edut 11-10).>JWB: You still have not >explained just what exactly >other rabbis and community >leaders are supposed to do about >RMT.Speak out against him. Stand up for Rabbi Mordechai Tendler's victims. It's that simple. Do no less then what they'd do if this were a kashrut issue, post a warning on their website.http://www.rabbis.org>No one disputes your assertion >that when a Rabbi uses his >position to get sex from women >who come to him for help that >that is an abuse.At least we agree on that.
yes, speak out against Tendker, keep the pressure on. Sunday nights meeting at KNH is critical to show how despised he is. You must speak out, do not let him convince you he is innocent. Ther hakoras hatov that michelle and him are asking you for is over. Tendler has had 2 years of hakaros hatove from the shul. He was now found to be guilt of innapropriate behavior, and the DNA evidence is waiting to come out if he chooses to fight and stay. Peoiple must protest at this meeting, if you care about the victims of his sexual abuse than do not be afraid to speak out. Get him out of KNH and prevent his further abuse of women.
New Hempstead News is not working. Has it been hacked?
Interesting comments re: Awareness Center. However, a case recently took place in the Mid-Atlantic states involving allegations against a reputable family made by former "best friends". The allegations grew and grew to the point where when people found out about the bizarre nature of the allegations, they could not believe it. The County and State authorities launched an exhaustive investigation involving numerous people, the children (the case began as one child accusing another of performing oral sex on an animal, if you can believe that- and ended with allegations against every member of the family), institutions, rabbis, educators, health professionals, etc.In the end, the allegations were found not only to be baseless, but the State authorities determined that there was evidence of older children leading younger children to lie, and even adults leading their own childrent to lie. The state went so far as to say that criminal charges against the accusers would have been considered except the accusing families "fled" to the NY/NJ area as well as the young age of the children.This took place in the heart of a modern orthodox community.The issue at hand remains, that in the face of an exhaustive investigation which confirmed that indeed the allegations were without any substance in reality, organizations like The Awareness Center as well as a leading rabbinical figure from the New York area continue to insist that "there is another side to the story" and that the investigation was flawed.So much so, that at a conference last week in DC, this rabbi silenced discussion on the topic when it was raised at his session with the statement "it's not true-there is another side to the story".I am afraid that in a society where sexual abuse is a real problem, a paranoia has developed which makes false allegations always "true"-even though perhaps only 1-3% are truly false-there is a belief being fomented by this rabbi and others-that any false allegations must be true and any attempt to defend the accused is yet another "cover-up" in the Jewish community.People like this rabbi should scare people. His issues lie with his own mistakes in the Lanner case. If he had given more credibility to the original allegations against Lanner, many people would have been spared a great deal of pain. Instead, he screwed up.Now he is the flag-bearer for "exposing cover-ups" and anything he deems legitimate even in the face of credible and authoritative expert investigations by top-notch county and state authorities that says to the contrary, must be a cover-up.While there are too many cover-ups and too many rabbis and other trusted figures who do abuse their positions to satisfy their own desires, there is also at least one rabbinical figure who is using his status in an undiscriminating campaign to clear his own conscience rather than uncover the truth.Indeed, I think there is a cover up in the Mid-Atlantic case- but I think it probably lies with the family of the accusers, instead of the accused.
Good points.I personally know male teachers who have had female students threaten to publicly accuse them of sexual abuse if they weren't given a higher grade, as well as divorcing fathers who were falsely accused of molestation by young children "coached" by angry ex-wives.The fact is, sexual abuse is the new McCarthyism and false allegations really DO happen. And the problem with organizations like the Awareness Center (as well as Jewish Whistleblower) is that the reputation of anyone accused is worth nothing to them, and they are not willing to check anything out in a reputable way.The unfortunate result is that they have lost credibility amongst people of integrity, and undermined the very issues they claim to want to repair.
"And the problem with organizations like the Awareness Center (as well as Jewish Whistleblower) is that the reputation of anyone accused is worth nothing to them, and they are not willing to check anything out in a reputable way.The unfortunate result is that they have lost credibility amongst people of integrity, and undermined the very issues they claim to want to repair."If you genuinely believe that, and agree that there are real problems in the community, why not then volunteer time/money toward helping the Awareness Center be the best it can be?Unless, of course, you are one of those enablers out to smear the Awareness Center at all cost in the pursuit of protecting whoever you're protecting.
From the mailing sent out from The Awareness CenterReminder: April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month, what is your community doing?April is set aside across the United States for every community to collectively focus upon the societal problem of sexual violence and the ways in whichservices like ours are working to end this violence and seek justice for its victims. Please let The Awareness Center know what you and your community are planning.Here are some suggestions if you haven't planned anything yet:1. Have guest speakers at your synogogue come to discuss sexual abuse and assault prevention.2. Contact your local rape crisis center to borrow a film to show to members of your community.3. Organize a fundraiser to help The Awareness Center or another organization that addresses sexual violence.4. Organize a speakout and give survivors of sexual assault/abuse to share their experiences.5. Offer a class on Torah and Sexual Violence.Use the following link to help you come up with more ideas:http://www.nsvrc.org/saam_new resources.html#national
I just went to Luke Ford's site and read his interview with Rabbi Dratch. I thought this was interesting.http://lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/mark_dratch.htm"What's your role with The Awareness Center?"I am not officially connected to them."What do you think of what they're doing?"The website and its discussion groups are an invaluable resource for many people. I had been involved at supporting them at one point in time. Vicki Polin has done tremendous work. We had a disagreement about a year ago] over some of the articles published on there with regard to accusations made against individuals. Her feeling is that as long as there is an article out there it should always be public. I disagree with that. If there is no substantiation of the allegations after a period of time and the person may be innocent, those articles should not be there. As a result of that, we have parted ways. She remains an important resource for me and I imagine I am an important resource for her."Steven I. Weiss writes: "Luke - Dratch's argument against Polin, that she should remove old stories that have not been substantiated, comes in pretty neatly with the Michael Ozair story. Remember that in that case, only allegations against him had been printed, and the fact that he pleaded no contest in 2001 would have made the allegations three years old with no follow-up. It was precisely because his file was maintained on The Awareness Center's Website that we matched him up as Michael Ezra of KabbalahCoach.com, and that we did further inquiry into the matter, reporting his plea for the first time."
Re: the comment regarding supporting the Awareness Center as a way of "straightening them out"-I would if I knew that Vicki Polin would completely abdicate any and all involvement.It is not the organization that is flawed, it is the leadership.This includes Ms. Polin and most if not all of her rapidly shrinking advisory board.Giving them money will not give her a greater sense of honesty or integrity, it will only further enable her to continue her mission of exposing anything she believes is real, regardless of the facts.To her and her cronies, all law enforcement is flawed and incompetent. To her and her "advisors" the authorities always "miss something".To her the victim is always right.There is a legal principle in the Talmud- that "he who makes the claim and seeks damages from another must provide the proof"-in the Mid-Atlantic case all the "proof" given by the "victims" was found to be without substance by all the law enforcement and child welfare authorities involved. Events that were purported to have taken place were proven to be physically impossible.Times and locations, simple items, did not add up.All these things are disregarded by Vicki Polin and her "advisory board" members.In addition, the accused family did nothing but cooperate with the authorities without reservation. They were subject to unannounced home and school visitations by the authorities, numerous interviews and interrogations, collection of photos and physical evidence. In all cases, the claims made by the accusers were found to lack credibility and gave rise to the suspicion by the authorities that the children and adult accusers were fabricating events.Does that matter to Ms. Polin?Does it matter to those in that community who continued to slander the accused family even in the face of the evidence?It is a paranoia based on a real threat. The need to protect our children from sexual predators is 100% real. They are out there, in the schools, the shuls, the malls,-can one be too cautious?And yet, in whom do we place our trust?? A rabbi in NY who proclaims himself and "expert" to ease his own guilt(not Rabbi Dratch)?A MSW who herself is an admitted victim of abuse?How about objective people who are trained to investigate and uncover abuse and assault?We trust them to protect our homes and property, and yet, for cases like this, they are incompetent?The Awareness Center could do great things, and in many cases, does important work. It should be well funded- but not under the current leadership. I think, based on postings on various websites, and IF the shrinking advisory board is any indication, as well as her constant "we are out of money" notations, that people are getting the idea and the Center is sadly, losing credibility.
>Re: the comment regarding >supporting the Awareness Center >as a way of "straightening them >out"->I would if I knew that Vicki >Polin would completely abdicate >any and all involvement.As I noted her leadership during this whole Rabbi Mordechai Tendler mess was the ONLY leadership that was effective.>It is not the organization that >is flawed, it is the leadership.>This includes Ms. Polin and most >if not all of her rapidly >shrinking advisory board.Can you suggest others? The wholeRabbi Mordechai Tendler mess has shown other leadership, particularly in the Agunah movement to be utterly ineffective.I don't want to publicly start discussing the case you brought up as it involves young children and is quite complex, but I believe that there is more to it then your claims in several postings here. It is clear you are a relative/friend of those involved and are too close to the situation. You simply don't have perspective.
Actually, I am an outside observer who knows many specifics and has very little to do with the case, other than seeing how badly it was mishandled by the community in question.I see you also have your agenda, which sadly, seems to lack integrity and honesty.Your claim against me is just too easy "you simply don't have perspective"- a conclusion drawn, signed and sealed.What Vicki Polin did write in an interview that did impress me is that she believes that false allegations are a "cry for help". I hope that those who maintain the guilt of those who are in truth innocent, get the help they so desperately need.
Whatever.I will note that actual law enforcement statistics in cases of sexual abuse indicate that false claims are rare where the abuser is known. It is even rarer when there are several accusers in a case.
I can only turn to the results of the Law Enforcement investigation in this particular case, which ended up pointing fingers back at the accusers. The community was presented with these results which came from the authorities.Or does anything other than a "guilty" verdict mean that the authorities are incompetent or the investigation somehow tainted?You are correct. It is extremely rare- Operative word "rare".I guess this is the model for "rare".
"n addition, the accused family did nothing but cooperate with the authorities without reservation. They were subject to unannounced home and school visitations by the authorities, numerous interviews and interrogations, collection of photos and physical evidence. In all cases, the claims made by the accusers were found to lack credibility and gave rise to the suspicion by the authorities that the children and adult accusers were fabricating events."I don't think you have your facts straight here. What school did the children go to? Perhaps you would want to check that out? If you got this one wrong, how many others are incorrect?
I should have said " school visitations at the school attended by one of the children"-If you purport to know the facts of this case, then my credibility is no longer in question.In any case, I am in agreement that this case should not be discussed now that you have made it more specific. Or perhaps there are several cases in the Mid-Atlantic region?
again, if you don't have first hand information what good are your comments? Also if there is documentation to what you are saying, perhaps you should forward it to The Awarenes Center for review. My bet is that they have never seen a copy of anything that you are talking about. Without the evidence, how can they review the case?
Who ever is posting all this negative stuff about The Awareness Center and Vicki Polin, why not let us know who you are? At least Vicki is brave enough to use her name. She stands behind her work. She's front and center. You are hiding on a blog, not even using your name.I'm not using mine because I am a survivor. I don't have the courage Vicki has to be public. I will tell you this much, I call The Awareness Center and have first hand knowledge of the work they do. I trust Vicki. I can't even begin to imagine not having Vicki Polin in my life. She's helped me in so many ways, I can't even begin to list them. She gave me courage when I had none. She believed in me, when I couldn't. How dare you attack something you have no knowledge of.
>How dare you attack something >you have no knowledge of.They know what they are doing. Who are the supporters of Rabbis such as Rabbi Mordechai Tendler and Rabbi Matis Weinberg going after? The Awareness Center of course.They know exactly who they need to silence. The only people standing up for their rabbonim's victims.That's why Rabbi Mordechai Tendler's enablers put up the 613 truth website with names and pictures of supporters of his victims. They're trying to shut down, intimidate or silence anyone who supports victims.That's how they work.
I guess they don't know the way that victim advocacy organizations like The Awareness Center works. The harder those who protect offenders attack, the stronger the organization will get. Survivors of abuse are learning they are NOT alone anymore. They are learning they can NO LONGER be silenced. When you think about how many survivors there are of sexual violence, verses the number of offenders, who do you think will win this fight?
"Survivors of abuse are learning they are NOT alone anymore. They are learning they can NO LONGER be silenced. When you think about how many survivors there are of sexual violence, verses the number of offenders, who do you think will win this fight?"That was so inspiring and encouraging---thanks!
Regarding the "Mid-Atlantic Case". I was curious what Rabbi Yosef Blau said about it? Isn't he the halachic advisor for The Awareness Center?
IF the survivors want true justice, they must publically speak up and reveal themselves and any evidence. We keep hearing of DNA, if so, it needs to be revealed now. The RCA began the process of quelling Tendler, but it was not enough. Tendlers biggest threat to society is through his position as Rabbi of an orthodox shul. That needs to be stopped so he can lose any remaining credibility that he has and so that his means of coming in contact with women will end.
"Who ever is posting all this negative stuff about The Awareness Center and Vicki Polin, why not let us know who you are? At least Vicki is brave enough to use her name. She stands behind her work. She's front and center. You are hiding on a blog, not even using your name."Yeah, Jewish Whistleblower, stop hiding on a blog throwing accusations around anonymously. It's impossible to take you seriously or believe anything you say when you refuse to back up your words with a real identity.
The anonymous posters asking me to name myself, make me laugh.
I want to be kind when talking about those who protect alleged and convicted sex offenders. I want to believe that they are totally brainwashed and manipulated by the offenders charismatic personalities. The other option is scary. If they aren't being manipulated then should be considered accessories to the crime, and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
I do believe in the work of the awareness center. But I also believe in the truth. That is the objective, demonstrable truth.Not suspicions or unsubstantiated claims.As a victim, put yourself in the other guys seat.That of a truly innocent person who is being victimized for someone else's ulterior goal. Someone begins to level allegations against you.What do you do?Certainly a Rav has to be above suspicion. If Rabbi Tendler indeed committed the crimes of which he is accused, then he should not be the leader of his or any other congregation.Are charges being levelled at him or just unsubstantiated accusations?There has to be some substance, doesn't there?Frankly, I do find a rabbi who opens himself up to secluding himself with a woman, somewhat careless.I know of a rabbi, who after the Lanner affair erupted stopped giving his own female students and even his family's babysitters rides home after babysitting or after the classes he gave for teens in a local synagogue.Was he actually worried that these young women who were close with his wife and entire family would level allegations?No, he told me. But given the situation and current environment, why take any chances at having his credibility and effectiveness as a teacher and rabbi compromised? Better to have his wife drive them home.Vicki Polin has a very admirable agenda-she wants to expose sexual abuse in the Jewish community- The Rabbi previously mentioned as the Halachik authority has an admirable agenda-but I question his "expertise" and frankly, his motivation and lack of discrimination.In regards to the case discussed in the mid-atlantic region-did he see some proof that the authorities were not privy to or does he just seek to crucify those who he believes are guilty?One of the other rabbis involved in the Lanner case publically apologized for his conduct in the case. He was wrong.Did this rabbi do the same?Listen, to the JWB and everyone else-you do something very important-but in your attempt to uncover and expose and ultimately help-don't lose sight of the fact that you too are vulnerable to being manipulated by people for their own aims. You are not above being victimized, ironically, because of your admirable convictions.
Someone nicely under this Blogs heading regarding Sundays meeting said, "The truly sad thing is that in a very public and real sense, these KNH goons are truly undermining the authority of the rabbanute. Unfortunately, this is nothing new. Every few generations, a Shabtai Tzvi emerges and takes many people off the derech. One just hopes not to live in a generation were such rashas exist.The Yezer Horah never comes dressed as evil, it comes dressed as a righteous frum yid.Which still leaves victims of rabbinical abuse with the same question: Where do you go? Who do you trust?The RCA is quiet.Many Rabbonim this past evening have shown their true colors.The agunah movement is bankrupt."The RCA made this mess by not making a statement which was unquestionable and detail. It also betrayed the women.No Press showed up.They prevented 4 from entering and showing evidence.No Feminist organization there to back any opposition -up.So who will stand behind the women? Those supporters of Victims need to do public relations for the women. RMT has one at the cost of $200.000. He has many brain washed, evil, and ignorant supporters. Everyone else is attacking the women so you need to support them. Who will in practicality be with them and in front?
All you keep stating the same thing. He's a great man and Tzaddick, more credentials then these women. We believe him unless you prove to us.You are not reading comments made by supporters of victims and victims themselves.You are letting continual victimization occur.He is a social path convincing you he’s great. He’s a sexual predator.Get it once and for all.Women already went forward. They testified. An investigation was done both by the RCA and investigating team. The RCA expelled him. YU has fired him. You are the only ones, his cult, that won't accept it.
only a mushchas would persist in bringing anthony roberts into the debate. he was found unanmiously innocent with the jury agreeing that the cps should never have brought the case. but as i have seen, and understood, there are no morals in this blog.Boruch Hashem, justice prevailed there and he will be back in teaching ASAP
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