Accountability and transparency within our institutions and leadership.
posted by jewishwhistleblower @ 3:12 AM
I would caution people that Sunday's meeting will be a fiasco. Remember Rabbi Mordechai Tendler still runs the KNH show. This meeting will be about damage control, silencing opposition, a show of power and ultimately trying to rally his supporters against his "enemies".1) I don't expect Rabbi Mordechai Tendler to answer open questions. Lawyers and publicists will be advising against that. If he does, don't expect answers. I expect a statement of innocence.2) There will be lots of references to legal rights and confidentiality rather than answers.3) Expect others to speak for Rabbi Mordechai Tendler.4) They will try to keep the press, cameras and tape recorders out.5) People will be shouted down.6) Expect a huge turnout, particularly supporters of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler.I suggest making notes. Take paper and pencil if other items are not allowed. Make notes after the event as well. It's important to keep detailed records of such events. Include the time in your notes.Note people who harass and shout down people, make notes of such actions. Indicate the time of such occurances. Come early to find good seating and find out what other precautions are going to be taken to protect Rabbi Mordechai Tendler. Opponents of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler should try to sit as a group.Make lists of questions. Put them in writing as it is very likely that there will be a vetting of questions (if they are allowed). So write out each one on a seperate piece of paper and come prepared. Keep copies so you can indicate later what questions they refused to answer.Suggestions:1) Ask Rabbi Mordechai Tendler to sign a waiver allowing his former lawyer who resigned to answer wquestions.2) Ask Rabbi Mordechai Tendler to sign a waiver allowing any woman who has signed a confidentiality agreements in settlement with him to make public statements.3) Ask him to submit to a public polygraph by an independent party that will also draft the questions to be asked.Any other questions? Feel free to list here.
I suggest people show up early and go to the Maariv service, get an early sense of what is going on. I suggest reporters do the same. They can't throw you out of Maariv.Does anyone know what time Maariv will be held? I assume it will be before the meeting (which will likely be an hour or 2 at least).
Bring LOTS of extra paper and pens. You may need to lend to others who are unprepared.Write your questions in advance each one on a seperate piece of paper. Keep copies.Asking for questions in writing and not making paper/pens available is an old trick.Respond to abuse and heckling by keeping cool and calm and taking detailed notes.
Don't let them set the rules.If they try to keep reporters out, declare them your publicists and representatives.If they go, demand that Rabbi Mordechai Tendler's spokesman, Hank Sheinkopf and his lawyers should also be removed as non-members.
Also put a group of observers (save seats for them) at the front door. Make sure they are there to make sure Rabbi Mordechai Tendler and his supporters don't manipulate the meeting keeping people or reporters out or intimidating them.
There will be police presence as well as hired security. The Board has made it known that only members will be allowed. Tendler is planning on having other Raboonim who are his suppoters attend. Questions will submitted on paper, index cards and a representative of the Board will read them. So long as the questions are not "of questionable nature" they will be allowed to be asked. Tendler will speak, then questions, then he will leave and the membership will discuss that. Board members have indicated that purses and body pat downs will occur. The BOard will be recording the event.
Thank you JWB. The Board is helpless and the meeting will be overrun and strong armed by 2 of Tendlers supporters who are both lawyers, one of them is on the Board. Fortunately, there will be peole who will ask specific questions. PLEASE CONTINUE TO POST ANY RELEVENT QUESTIONS YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE HIM STICK HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH. REMEMBER THE MOVIE WITH JACK NICOLSON AND TOM CRUISE WHERE NICOLSON FINALLY SAY " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" WE WILL ATTEMPT TO FRUSTRATE HIM SO MUCH THAT HE FINALLY EXPLODES
The Tendlers have been calling and speaking to everyone possible that supports them to show up at the meeting. The meeting is crucial because based on the response the Board will be making its decision on which way to proceed. Questions will not be posed to the Board only Tendler. It was a very late night at the Tendler home on motzei shabbos, numerous cars were in front of the house including the 2 laywers from the shul. Again, one of these lawyers is advising the Board while preparing a defense for Tendler. CAN THE BOARD BE THAT INEPT AND BLIND.
Questions will be submitted on 3x5 cards. Only duplicates will be removed by an impartial person.
>The Board is using the same lawyer as >RMT for advice, not because as stated >here ‘they (the Board) are failures’, >or because they are ‘inappropriate to >do so’, rather they are using the >same lawyer because they are on the >same side.Once again JWB proves that he is a buffoon, and has no idea what he is talking about. I have personally spoken with the board. JWB has not.Almost the entire board wants the Rav to resign.
Moshe Dovid Tendler is flying in from Israel to speak at tonights meeting on behalf of his son. He is missing a family wedding for this purpose.
>Moshe Dovid Tendler is flying in >from Israel to speak at tonights >meeting on behalf of his son. He >is missing a family wedding for >this purpose.While I do not know if this latest rumor is true. I would note that there is still no rumor that Rav Dovid or Rav Reuven plan to even drive down to this meeting in support of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler?Why? Because it will never happen.
Flashback- New Hempstead 14 years ago. Tendler decides he must take the brakaway shul to a Din Torah and needs to get the memberships backing. Moshe Dovid Tendler comes to the meeting and tells everyone the laws of Hasagus Gevul and that his son must be the only Rav in New Hempstead. Moshe Dovid says its a clear cut case, no chance to lose at a Din Torah. GUESS WHAT - KNH LOST THE DIN TORAH, IT SPLIT THE COMMUNITY FOR YEARS. PEOPLE WHO LIVED ON THE SAME BLOCK BECAME ENEMIES. THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN NOW EXCEPT WITHIN THE SAME SHUL. PEOPLE ARE PREPARING TO HAND IN LETTERS REVOKING THEIR MEMBERSHIP AFTER THE MEETING.MOSHE DOVID- YOUR EGO AND THAT OF YOUR SON CAUSED KNH TO LOSE ONCE BEFORE AND IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.
this is where the community chooses whether or not they embrace coverup and dishonesty. We need to pray that they have the courage to do the right thing and dump this cretin.
To quote the RAMONES in one of their songs "theres no stoppin the cretins from hoppin" Thats what its beginning to look like in New Hempstead
I just read a very good vort on the New Hempstead situation which I just stumbled on. Go to "JEWISHIDEA.BLOGSPOT.COM". It is more than just name calling. Go read it.
>The Board has made it known that >only members will be allowed. >Tendler is planning on having >other Raboonim who are his >suppoters attend.Are these rabonnim members? If not they should not be allowed to attend. Same goes for his publicist and lawyers.>Board members have indicated >that purses and body pat downs >will occur.What are they trying to keep out?>The BOard will be recording the >event. Who has care and control of the tape? Who is in charge of the camera?
Additional questions:1) Why did the board not put Tendler on a leave of absence when the RCA investigation began?2) Why did the board not immediately suspend Tendler when he was expelled by his professional rabbinical body, the RCA? He should have been suspended pending his reinstatement in the RCA (will never happen).3) Why is a lawyer reportedly advising the board and also preparing a defense for a paid employee (Rabbi Mordechai Tendler), when he should be representimg the membership of KNH. It is a clear conflict. Someone should report him to the bar association.
As I told you the meeting and the agenda is being carefully planned by the lawyer Board member and the other member who is supposedly representing KNH, while he has planned Tendlers defense and has sent papers into the RCA on his behalf. They both were at Tendlers house last night planning the meeting. The will run the meeting. The Board is inept and will have no choice but to listen to these 2 lawyers. Again, the BOard at KNH is using a lawyer who has done work for Tendler, that is a conflict but the Board seems to be ignoring this. They will strong arm how the meeting will be run and who says what. Most people agree that it is unfair for Tendler to have others there while no opposing representatives will be present. Tendler and his lawyers are desperately trying to convince Reb Dovid to attend. Moshe Dovid will be there speaking. The Board has stated that they will allow outside, non members, Rabbonim speak on Tendlers behalf. Its outrageous.
Complaints about Professional MisconductLawyers admitted to practice in New York State are held to the standards in the Code of Professional Responsibility. These are high standards. A lawyer who violates the Code may be charged with professional misconduct. Some examples of professional misconduct are:Conflict of Interest – A lawyer represents both sides and does not explain fully what problems may result.1)http://www.newyork.bbb.org/library/outres/p1c100.htmlWhere to File a Complaint Against a LawyerThe grievance committees are appointed by the Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court. They operate on a regional basis, and their jurisdiction is based upon the location of the office of the attorney against whom a complaint is being made. You should make your complaint or inquiry known to the grievance committee that covers the county in which the attorney’s office is located. The following is a list of the grievance committees and the counties over which they have jurisdiction.2)http://www.newyork.bbb.org/library/publications/subrep57.htmlHow to Complain about Lawyers
>Tendler and his lawyers are >desperately trying to convince >Reb Dovid to attend.Neither Rav Reuven or Rav Dovid will attend.>Moshe Dovid will be there >speaking. The Board has stated >that they will allow outside, >non members, Rabbonim speak on >Tendlers behalf. Its outrageous.Declare reporters your representative and publicists and representatives. Demand that if Rabbi Mordechai Tendler brings in non-members who speak you should have a right to as well.But definately file complaints with the Bar association against the lawyer representing the Board and Rabbi Mordechai Tendler. See if you can get a representative from the Bar to come to the meeting tonight and observe the ethical violation.
1) Why did the board not put Tendler on a leave of absence when the RCA investigation began?ANSWER: They (the Board) felt there was not enough reson and everyone including the President refused to believe the charges. The Board wanted to wait until the RCA decision. 2) Why did the board not immediately suspend Tendler when he was expelled by his professional rabbinical body, the RCA? He should have been suspended pending his reinstatement in the RCA (will never happen).ANSWER: Tendler had tremendous support from the Board until the RCA decsion came down. They were unwilling to proceed with anything untill the RCA gave a ruling. At the time other Board memebrs did resign as well as Trustees. The Rabbi was trying to hand pick a new Board during the last election, numerous people would not run due to the pending situation. Tendler specifically wanted the lawyer on the Board and to share the Presidency with the current President.3) Why is a lawyer reportedly advising the board and also preparing a defense for a paid employee (Rabbi Mordechai Tendler), when he should be representimg the membership of KNH. It is a clear conflict. Someone should report him to the bar association.ANSWER: This lawyer is a divorce awyer in NYC and has dealings in the frum world including going against the Agudah. He is a shark that smells blood. He has lived in the community for 6 months and knows nothing of the history. He has not seen Tendler stay late at night in shul alonw with women, he did not see Tendler drive alone in a car with women in the FRONT seat, he did not see women enter Tendler's home in the middle of the day when Michelles car was gone and the kids were in school. IT IS A MAJOR CONFLICT AND THE BOARD DOES NOT SEE THIS.
There will be private security and those entering will be monitored by a Board member. People attempting to protest on shul property will be removed. Anyone trying to enter that is not a member will be asked to leave. People will be checked for recording devices. Trying to sneak in reporters, etc, will never work. The presence of reporters though will help convince people of the negative stigma this has on the community. Let me remind you that the Board is definitely in favor of removing him however, they do not have the backbone to fight against these 2 lawyers.
Definately file complaints with the Bar association against the lawyer representing both the Board and Rabbi Mordechai Tendler.
Please note, this lawyer/member was not officially retained by KNH or Tendler so far as I know. He has not accepted money for his services though he is giving advise to both sides. He has reviewed all of Tendlers documents and submitted evidence on behalf of the Tendler. Does that still constitute a conflict of interest allowing same to be reported. If so show me the legal reading on this
Remember, bring lots of paper, extra pens and a pad or board to write on. Everone should be taking notes, both spouses for example. The more you can document the better.
>Please note, this lawyer/member >was not officially retained by >KNH or Tendler so far as I know. Doesn't matter.>He has not accepted money for >his services though he is giving >advise to both sides.Which is a clear conflict, he never should of put himsef in.>He has reviewed all of Tendlers >documents and submitted evidence >on behalf of the Tendler. Does >that still constitute a conflict >of interest allowing same to be >reported. If so show me the >legal reading on this If you provide legal services to two groups in the same matter with even potentially conflicting interests it is a conflict.In this case, it should be given to a professional body to evaluate and determine (bar association).
This lawyer should either represent the KNH or the KNH employee (Tendler). It is unethical to represent both.
Tendler has gone through a series of lawyers and local government people that now won't have anything to do with him. Now he is using a junior divorce lawyer from NYC who does not have a clue what has gone on in New Hempstead over the years. This divorce lawyer is just a tool being manipulated by Tendler, so what kind of lawyer is that? Anwyay think about it: Why should a Rav have to hire so many lawyers? He's supposed to be a holy person. Why should a Rav have to hire a political public relations firm? What kind of spiritual leadership are we dealing with here? Tonight's meeting will be heavily scripted. It will follow the format used by Hillary and Bill when Bill got caught one too many times with his pants off. It will be all about damage control, convincing the wavering masses that RMT is a "victim." They are being counselled to appear innocent, and hurt. It's a show, ladies and gentlemen! An Act! A well-rehearsed and tried and true formula for gaining public sympathy. Only a fool will fall for it.
Who is the private security company?I suggest people phone them up immediately and put them on notice that if any member is touched or removed from synagogue property, that a police report will be filed and a civil suit will occur.It's important to put them on notice. Take note of the name tag/number of security present, height, weight, hair color, eye color etc.If security does harass/assault anyone do not hesitate to contact the police. Private security is very limited in what it can do. You have the freedom to speak. You are paid members of KNH. Make sure they know that.
If I were going to suggest a plan of action to Rabbi Mordechai Tendler's opponents:1) Come early sit together in a section.2) Choose a few spokespersons.3) Write down the names of all non-members.4) Choose one (the loudest and toughest) to stand up from inside the middle of your group sitting together right at the beginning of the meeting and say the following:a. "I'm rising on a point of order, I would ask that the board immediately remove the non-members present. This is a membership meeting and they have no place or standing here." Then name for the taped record the names of the rabbonim, publicists and lawyers who are not members.b. Then say: "On a point of order, I would ask that either board member X who is providing legal advise to both the board and Rabbi Tendler immediately tender his public resignation or the board expell him. This is a clear and continuing conflict of interest."Anyone thrown out of the meeting should immediately go talk to any media present.
I don't believe any of Rabbi Tendler's family pay membership dues. They should also be asked to leave. They have no standing or right to be at a membership meeting.They are merely the relatives of an employee.
The board should be asked to immediately close the synagogue's discretionary fund and also ask for an audit.
The shul board has no authorization over the discretionary fund. It is a separately incorporated entity and the funds are not comingled with shul funds.
>The shul board has no >authorization over the >discretionary fund. It is a >separately incorporated entity >and the funds are not comingled >with shul funds. 1) How is it incorporated? I don't see it on guidestar.org orhttp://appsext5.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/enter_search2) Who is in charge?3) Cheques are labelled:Kehilat New HempsteadRabbi's Discretionary AccountIn honor of Reb Moshe Feinstein720 Union RoadNew Hempstead, NY 10977 Seems to me that gives the synagogue authority over the account. Their name and address.
At the very least, if they are seperate the board should put both Tendler and the bank on notice to NOT use their name or address.
Take your cell phones, try to use them to tape/video the event.
The post above is correct. The discretionary fund has its own federal tax ID and checking account. The shul and the discretionary fund are both incorporated at the shul's address, but that does not make them the same organization. I do not know the exact legal name of the discretionary fund, so I would not know how to look it up in the NY directories. The name on the checks might not be the legal name of the organization (which is perfectly legal). In fact, the legal name of KNH is not Kehillat New Hempstead, it is Bais Kenesses of New Hempstead.
KEHILLAT NEW HEMPSTEAD 720 UNION RD SPRING VALLEY, NY 10977-1700 UNITED STATES TEL: 845-362-2425 FAX: 845-362-4948ABI-NO: 482590296COUNTY: 36087 ROCKLANDPOPULATION: 25,000 - 49,999 BBCARRIER-CODE: C012PRI-SIC: 866112 SYNAGOGUESLOC-SALES: UNKNOWN LLLOC-EMPLOYEES: 6PAR-EMPLOYEES: UNKNOWNBUSINESS-ORG: FIRMEXECUTIVES: MORDECAI TENDLER, RELIGIOUS LEADERAD-SIZE: REGULAR LISTINGCREDIT: INSTITUTIONALLANGUAGE: ENGLISH
I can't find any information on the discretionary fund. People may want to ask questions.Is it a good idea for an employee to have a discretionary fund?
KEHILLAT NEW HEMPSTEAD THE RAV ARON JOFEN COMMUNITY SYNAGOGUE 720 UNION RDNEW HEMPSTEAD, NY 10977 EIN: 13-3612641This organization is not required to file an annual return with the IRS because it is a church. It is a 501(c)(03) public charity.
Can anyone confirm or provide information that this is a registered non-profit entity? I can't find anything.Kehilat New HempsteadRabbi's Discretionary AccountIn honor of Reb Moshe Feinstein720 Union RoadNew Hempstead, NY 10977
There are more Tendler supporters than there are people against him. Irregardless of the seeming posts on this site.You only trash the divorse attorney because you fear him and his ability to articulate the truth.Thy histeria you are creating only serves you and your limited purpose.Don't believe the lies.
We all will be there supporting Rabbi Tendler and Michelle.We will not let the miserable ones commandeer the meeting or seed fear.
"At 6:30 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... You're missing my main point. Prominant members of his family like Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven KNOW he's pond scum.The people here defending him, don't know him anywhere as long or as well. Maybe they should speak to Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven before defending him further." "Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is a Rasha, no one knows that better than people in his family."JWB: What would you do/say if R' Dovid and/or R Reuven would show their trust in and support of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler??
Everybody will have an opportunity to speak their mind. This will be a civil meeting. Which is more than something that those which have a vendetta against the Rabbi do not deserve.
You who write this hostility do not know who you are dealing with..This community will not be intimidated by your words and your plans.All will have an opportunity to speak, and will be done in a respectful manner deserving of respect for all the members of the kehillat.
We at KNH support the facts.The facts being that the Rabbi as clearly demonstrated his innocense.It is there for anyone to see.All else is rumor mongering.
I would like present my thoughts on the recent events at KNH: In Torah law, as well as that of civilized society, every person, no matter what he is accused of is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. If you read the RCA Policy (http://www.rabbis.org/news/061504.cfm) you will surely see that the procedure which the RCA has outlined for their investigations resembles neither a Beis Din nor a secular court . The policy clearly states that the Vaad HaTzedek has no authority to determine the facts in the case ( such as guilt or innocence), as such the “RCA Beis Din” is merely a rubber stamp to give the illusion of Halachik integrity to the findings of the “Fact Finding Team”. The Fact Finding Team is composed of two Rabbis, two experienced trial lawyers and one Mental Health Professional; they are the true decision makers under the RCA system. Moreover, the system under which they operate is bears no resemblance to any civilized court at all. The testimony is not heard first hand by the Fact Finders at all rather it is handed to them in a written report prepared by others who actually hear the testimony. Furthermore, the accused is given no opportunity to cross-examine the testimony presented. In short, the RCA system is not a court of law. If I were accused I would never allow myself to be railroaded by such a system.No matter what the allegation EVERY HUMAN BEING MUST BE PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTILL HE HAS HAD HIS DAY IN A FAIR COURT . A Jew in a Torah congregation should actually be entitled to a Court of Jewish Law. The insistence by the RCA that the Rabbi be judged under their system was absolutely wrong and their expulsion was shameful, and as far as I’m concerned irrelevant.It is my opinion that the Rabbi must be presumed innocent no actions may be taken to remove him, at this time. These are my sincerely held beliefs, I have no conflict of interest whatsoever and I welcome any member of the Shul to call me.Rabbi Meir Glazer
First of all, you people should know that you are bringing shame not only upon a Rabbi, but on a community as a whole. I have incontrovertible evidence that can conclusively prove that Rabbi Tendler in no way did anything unbecoming of him. Quite the contrary- I happen to know for a fact that one woman in particular solicited the Rabbi. I have seen certain notes that this woman has written that can completely clear the Rabbi's name. Additionally, I happen to know for a fact that Rabbi Tendler wore Tefilin every time he went into a meeting with a woman or anyone else for that matter. To accuse him of inappropriate action while he was wearing Tefilin is a shameful accusation. If Rabbi Tendler were in fact guilty of what he is being accused of, do you think that he would do it with such a rishus as to wear his tefilin at the same time? I have seen, FOR MANY YEARS, Rabbi Tendler finish various meetings in his private office, and come out with hi tefillin on every single time. He is a man that I know has personally helped many people in our community, and continues to do so, even as shameful accusers continue to throw dirt on his name. I believe that at the end of this matter, Rabi Tendler will be found completely innocent of these bizarre accusations.
Just FYI, Rabbi Glazer's yeshiva rents space in KNH. That sort of makes Rabbi Tendler the "landlord" of Rabbi Glazer. That being said, Rabbi Glazer is certainly a fine person.
We rent from the Kehilla not the Rabbi. Our dealings are for the most part with the President and the Board not the Rabbi.
True, but if it were not for Rabbi Tendler's lobbying, the shul would have never rented the building to the yeshiva. Many members were concerned about damage to the building.
Gratitude we do have to the Rabbi. But I'm sure everyone connected with the shul feels gratitude, but that does not constitute a conflict of interest. But it is a good reason why we should all give him a fair shake.
It's amazing to read all this BS. 1. Most of you claim against Rabbi Tendler based on torah values, yet reading your own comments, what kind of torah values do you own?2. some of you are part of the KNH family, think your saving or helping the situation by posting to this blog, yet in reality you are making things more difficult.3. some of you are past influencial members of KNH who resigned over this becuase you couldn't or wouldn't deal with it when you had the opportunity (which speaks volumes of itself), now that you are no longer on the board all you do is complain, bitch & moan. If you belive so strongly a certain way, and think you can be helpful, why did you not take the opportunity when you had it? 4. to the rest of you who are not members (or regular attendees) of KNH and feel strongly a certain way - hey, you are entitled to your opinion. You want it acted upon, take it to court!! none of you seem to have had either the proof or all the balls to do so!!Write as you all want, most of you will attempt to rebuff what I have wrote and attempt to smear me as well (in one form or another). I have nothing to hide behind and no one to hide from.To me one of many things is clear - the time you all waste posting to this and other similar sites would be better spent actually trying to help deal with the situation (in one way or another)but won't because you don't have the guts, or the proof to do so.IF you do, I challange you to contact me directly and let me know what you are willing to do to help (either one way or the other).If you are unwilling to standup and help (being productive vs. spending all day bithing & moaning)don't waste any of my time.Shlomo
The Finesteins and Joffens all support Rabbi Tendler.As does most of our Kehillat, and Monsey.Anyone that states otherwise is rumor mongering and trying to create a division in this community for their own small purpose.
Nicely said Shlomo. Good luck tonight. MAy Hashem give you and the Board the Chizuk to do whats right for KNH.
This whole mess is a tragedy of ultimately unknown proportions. There is no doubt that if the Bais HaMikdash was standing it would have caused a chorban. This has completely gotten out af hand beyond anyones wildest dreams. If it rains tonight during the meeting we'll all know who's tears they'll be.
As hard as it is to do, everyone needs to take a step back here and look at this thing with at least some rationality. It is undeniable that Rabbi Tendler's behavior is questionable. The RCA takes this things very seriously and as we unfortunately know usually errs too much on the side of caution. You can not just blow this off simply because you like the man. Don't be guilty of the very human flaw of undying loyalty to a cult of personality. Don't act like this is just a simple defamement of an man. It isn't. The shul has no obligation to keep him employed.-EBP
To all those who are reading this now, at the time of the meeting: Say perek 12 in tehillim.
It's 9:10 p.m. Just got a call from one of the victim advocates for the survivors of Rabbi Mordecai Tendler. They were told by one of the board members (indirectly) that they would be allowed in to the meeting. When they got there they were turned away. I was told that at least two of the survivors of this rabbi also were present and also not allowed inside.
9:30 pm Update of meetingRabbi Tendler had claimed that Rav Elyashuv sent a letter of support. Several Rabbis checked this out and found the information to be NOT true. The person who wrote the letter of support was one of the students of Rav Elyashuv by the name of Rabbi Eisenstein. This was on Eisenstein's own stationary, and NOT under the direction of Rav Elyashuv.
Who was at the meeting?
what did the letter actually say? Rav Eisenstein is famously close to Rav Elyahshuv and at times serves as his spokesman/gabbai. The letter may have been written by Rav Eisenstein saying that Rav Elyashuv expresses his support. maybe they will show the letter publicly? any other letters? are any rabbis at the meeting to support Rabbi Tendler?
"Several Rabbis checked this out and found the information to be NOT true."how is that possible? at 9:30 pm here, it is 4:30 am in Israel. which rabbi (or several?) is going to be checking out any letters with rav elyashuv at 4:30 in the morning? let's wait till someone on the Board reports back.
They checked the letter out prior to the meeting. I'm waiting for another call to come through. The time posted is the time it is in Monsey.
Can someone ask Rav Dovid if he personally spoke to the heads of the RCA? I'll bet he did not.
huh? please clarify your post
was Rav Dovid Feinstein there? did he speak? if he did, that would be surprising since he doesn't speak in public (other than shiurim, and possibly a hesped). He hasn't for decades.
can someone please let us know what happened at the meeting. I would think it is over by now.
Back from the meeting.4 people who were invited to attend by Board member, the president of the shul would not let them in. KNH members had no opportuniy to hear opposing sides and people who could produce evidence. There were 6 people outside that the police, car#408 requested for them to move accross the street. They didn't have a moment to walk from the sidewalk before the police told them they ate blocking traffic. They were infront of police car which was really the one blocking traffic and they were not. No reporters there who wer told no press. Unfornate that the press didn't come anyway as we would have spoken.From those who attend, it was said to be a love rally for him. And the questions asked were fairly safe but addresses some public accusations and he said its not true.
The meeting is just now ending at 11:30pm EST. Like everything else at this shul, it schleped out for three and a half hours.
thats right it obviously the President and Board support him. Shown that they had the same lawyer for advice about this meeting of supporters only allowed and evidence and censorship blocked. The President prevented 4 that I know from entering.
I don't understand what the above commenter is even saying - is it english?????
to the Anonymous which said... "I happen to know for a fact that one woman in particular solicited the Rabbi. I have seen certain notes that this woman has written that can completely clear the Rabbi's name." Bring it on. She has a side too. Your missing information. She has proff he pursued her. Bring it on. He's going down. Bring on all your false witnesses and accusations which won't hold up in a court of law or to the Rabbinate "I happen to know for a fact that Rabbi Tendler wore Tefilin every time he went into a meeting with a woman"We all had sex with him wearing Tefilin. He's a fraud, a social path.But you don't get it.
Can someone coherent please post some intelligible factual information about the meeting? These past few posts are ridiculous, incoherent ramblings.
Obviously the President and Board support him. Action speaks louder then words. The Board used the same lawyer for advice about this meeting as RBT. The President prevented 4 people I know who were told they could come from entering. The President and KNH blocked evidence and censorship facts.
Who is RBT?Who were the 4 people who "were told they could come?" Who were they "told" by? Did the President invite them? Did the Board invite them?
To Shlomo Pomeranz,Women already went forward. They testified. An investigation was done both by the RCA and investigating team. The RCA expelled him. YU has fired him. You are the only ones, his cult, that won't except it
Simple summary: R Dovid Feinstein spoke on RMT's behalf, as did other respected members of the family. Letters of support were produced which decried the superficial and non-halachic methodology used by the RCA. The people who didn't come to the meeting hating him believe he's innocent, and the people who came to the meeting wanting to lynch him still do.
"While I do not know if this latest rumor is true. I would note that there is still no rumor that Rav Dovid or Rav Reuven plan to even drive down to this meeting in support of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler?Why? Because it will never happen."For all the "know it alls" on this website... Reb Dovid was in attendance to support Rabbi Tendler and gave a psak thst the RCA decision was not Din Torah. A Beth Din would have to be convened which is what Rabbi Tendler requested in the first place.
If you go to https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/whois.asp?se=%2B&domain=FAILEDMESSIAH%2Ecom you will see that failedmessiah.com is registerd to Scott Rosenberg and was last renewed on 25-Feb-05.If you go to https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/whois.asp?se=%2B&domain=JEWSFORMENDEL%2Ecom" you will see that jewsformendel.com is regestered anonymousaly BUT WAS ALSO LAST RENEWED ON 25-Feb-05!!! Is it a coincedence? I don't know but scott rosenberg has never denied it,instead he says that he isn't a hiprocriate because chabad is the truehiprocriate!?!? (see http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tzemach/111133417014981757/#42679%29 He tries saying that he renewed failedmessiah.com early so heshouldn't forget what he doesn't mention is that jewsformendel.com isrenewed even earliar!.
as long as we were on the subject anyway...
Can someone verify the details about R'Dovids attendance and/or public speech.I have no real position on the Tendler fiasco either way I have no way of knowing if the allegations are true or not, however If R'Dovid showed up 'JWB' is going to be shown for the pompous ass he/she is, claiming so vehemently that the Feinsteins won't be there.
The 9:46 Anonymous'es observation that JWB is a "pompous ass" for assuring us that R Dovid would not be at the meeting deserves two comments:1. The pompous ass has, unfortunately, cohorts of his ilk.2. "pompous ass" is way too general. A more specific description would be more apt.
JWB seems to have lost all credibility due to his flaming rhetoric proclaiming personal knowledge of the Tendler/Feinstein Family "lack of support". Check out the original post. (I pasted below some of JWB's many quotes from the other thread, in case he decides to try and save face and delete them.). JWB's "flaming rhetoric" seems to have gone up in smoke. Flames and smoke seem rather apt and fitting. Just need a little brimstone, and JWB should be all prepared for his future at 120. 11:54 PM, jewishwhistleblower said... Why don't you phone Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven directly and ask them if they are supporting Rabbi Mordechai Tendler and will personally vouch for his "good character"? You will be surprised. The lies you are believing are just that ... lies.At 6:30 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... You're missing my main point. Prominant members of his family like Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven KNOW he's pond scum.The people here defending him, don't know him anywhere as long or as well. Maybe they should speak to Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven before defending him further.At 7:03 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... >do you know for sure that they >think "he is pond scum".Yes, and it would be easy for Rabbi Mordechai Tendler's followers to check the accuracy of my statements.>let's say that they DO come out >with something public in the >future, now that it's getting >really big, and till now they >haven't, and only been observing >and advising quietly, do you >mean to tell me that you will >believe them?1) If you think that will happen or is happening, you're on crack.2) They know him longer and better than others.Not a matter of belief. Just the facts.At 7:54 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... >Feel free to correct me, but I >think you're saying that if R >Dovid and R Reuven did state >their trust in and support of >MT, you would retract everything >you've said, maybe even ask for >mechilla.They have eyes, yet they do not see. They have ears and yet they do not hear.If elephants had wings, they could fly?The people here defending Rabbi Mordechai Tendler, don't know him anywhere as long or as well. Maybe they should speak to Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven before defending him further and attacking others.At 11:45 AM, jewishwhistleblower said. Not a matter of belief. Just the facts. Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is a Rasha, no one knows that better than people in his family.Which is why people should take their position on Rabbi Mordechai Tendler seriously.At 3:30 PM, jewishwhistleblower said... They have no intention of supporting their rasha relative, unlike some of you.
"JWB seems to have lost all credibility due to his flaming rhetoric proclaiming personal knowledge of the Tendler/Feinstein Family "lack of support". Check out the original posts, pasted into the above post. JWB's "flaming rhetoric" seems to have gone up in smoke. Flames and smoke seem rather apt and fitting. Just need a little brimstone, and JWB should be all prepared for his future at 120."Amen.
While little that is being reported to have happened at the meeting is surprising. I believe most of my predictions were accurate.I have to admit that if the reports are true that Rav Dovid Feinstein showed up and spoke on behalf of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler, I am truly shocked and wrong.I can't imagine how Rabbi Mordechai Tendler pulled that one out of the hat.I'm glad to hear that at least Rav Reuven had the sense to stay away.But still this is truly disturbing. Sunday night was certainly a chilul Hashem beyond my wildest imagination and a black eye to the whole rabbinical world.Not only has KNH left the Orthodox world, it has chosen to drag down others with it.
To Jewish Whistleblower: Don't be discouraged by the words of those who blindly support the abuser and heartlessly torture the victims. The time will come when they will have to answer for the harm they've caused and may Hashem have Rachmonis on their souls.You have rightfully earned yourself a place near the Kisei Hakavod, alongside those who stand up for Emes and Razon Hashem.Kol Hakavod!
>To Jewish Whistleblower: Don't >be discouraged by the words of >those who blindly support the >abuser and heartlessly torture >the victims.I'm never discouraged.I frankly expected a Rabbi Mordechai Tendler love fest. Most of what I predicted apparently was accurate.1) Rav Reuven was not there.2) RMT's supporters kept people out.3) Questions vetted.4) No real answers, just declarations of innocence.and more.You can see how many of my suggestions might have mitigated a little (keeping people out) some of this but ultimately it would have occured the same way.I am shocked that Rav Dovid showed up and I would be very interested to read a transcript of his statement. Did he openly support RMT? Or did he simply declare that the RCA investigation was not a beis din (which frankly no one disputes including the RCA or me).>The time will come when they >will have to answer for the harm >they've causedNo question that will happen.>and may Hashem >have Rachmonis on their souls.That's between them and Hashem. Frankly, the ones in this case that they need to ask mechilah from are the victims. There will be no rachmonis in the abscence of that.The truly sad thing is that in a very public and real sense, these KNH goons are truly undermining the authority of the rabbanute. Unfortunately, this is nothing new. Every few generations, a Shabtai Tzvi emerges and takes many people off the derech. One just hopes not to live in a generation were such rashas exist.The Yezer Horah never comes dressed as evil, it comes dressed as a righteous frum yid.Which still leaves victims of rabbinical abuse with the same question: Where do you go? Who do you trust?The RCA is quiet.Many Rabbonim this past evening have shown their true colors.The agunah movement is bankrupt.As I've said before it appears there is no one with any guts out there other than the Awareness Center.
Having lived in NH for a while, although I dont daven in KNH, I have received over the years many anonymous letters detailing the goings on of RMT. While I dont believe everything I read, I do know that this, among many other scandals, is totally Loshon Hora, and remember...Loshon Hora is usually based on truth...I have friends who do daven in RMT's shul. This is the kind of thing that makes me want to move out of NH altogether...
"among many other scandals, is totally Loshon Hora, and remember...Loshon Hora is usually based on truth... Yea, Loshom Hora about the women! Lies, threats and maligning. Read your Loshon Hara Laws, you have to stop a Rasha, you are required to speak. He is vitimizing women. If you keep standing behind him you are a victimizing for letting it happen and God will take action for letting the blood of your breathen be spilled."This is the kind of thing that makes me want to move out of NH altogether"Then move. But because its a place that hurts Jewish Women. As an "Aishea Ish you can let that happen?
My name is Fred B and I write to you this morning to let everyone who reads these blogs know that I was an individual who was posting some, but not all, of the negative things you were reading these past few days about Rabbi Tendler and KNH. Unfortunately for me, my conclusions before last night was based on my own assumptions as a result of here say, non-confirmed alledged evidence, things I heard from people in New Hempstead, and of course from this blog. I have now come to realize now that this blog serves to spew evil and hatred and controversy. The inaccuracies and outright lies are rampant on blog sites, but one gets easily sucked in, and thrives on the postings. I appologize to anyone I hurt, but most importantly, Rabbi Tendler. However, please be assured that my passion on this matter was based solely on my love of KNH as my life, blood, sweat, and tears went into its creation, and my purpose was to see that it would somehow survive this most unfortunate and tragic situation. I failed to give the benefit of doubt to Rabbi Tendler, someone I have known for 15 years. He was, and still is, my Rebbe and friend. There was no credibility to anything that JWB has posted to date. No DNA confirmations, lies about the Tendler family support, specifically from Reb Dovid, who was at the meeting and did speak telling all those present that the RCA's comment were not to be believed, and numerous other statements that JWB concocted from his "reliable sources". I could go on and on. At at this point forward I will no longer read your blog or comment on it. The truth, g-d willing will most definitely come out in the near future and the Emes of Torah and Yirah will most surely prevail.
Dear Ex-PresidentMay your wife and daughters have tea with MTyou are as sick as your perverted Rabbi and mentor!
Really Fred B. Is it true RMT made sexual advances on your wife? If not, OK. But he has with many women and had sex with many more. You had a love rally last night. You have been fooled. He didn't allow people in the meeting who wanted to present evidence. 4 were rejected. But more will get out especially because you are allowing for continual victimization and a sex predator to get away.While I didn't put weight to JWB about the Feinsteins supporting him or not, JWB still came from the truth about RMTs' crimes and what is known about the Feinsteins' thoughts on RMT being a rasha. Being debated here all week prior to yesterdays meeting, is what got RMT and his supporters to get Feinstein. The Tendlers have built an Empire of rallying you against the world. It’s what they do best. Us or them, everyone else has it wrong. And now it’s the Modern Orthodox against the "correct Halachic" procedure of your ultra right wing idol worshiped "Rav". Only to be called "Modern Orthodox" by Jewish Week as lip service and because his Family is in this MO world.JWB has integrity and knocking down things won’t hide the truth.The Issue is: All you keep stating the same thing. He's a great man and Tzaddick, more credentials then these women since he’s your Rabbi. We believe him unless you prove to us.You are not reading comments made by supporters of victims, and victims themselves posted here, neither talking to the women or reading what the RCA said. You never investigated your self. Too many excuses for him.You are letting continual victimization occur. And you will hurt your "Rav" more because by maligning and supporting him, more will come out; your not helping him, and he'll bring you down. He is a social path convincing you he’s great. He’s a sexual predator.Get it once and for all.Women already went forward. They testified. An investigation was done both by the RCA and investigating team. The RCA has authority for its 10,000 membership. Halacally they were correct. More then 3 witnesses. RMT claims of 3 are Lies. 10-20 women. The RCA also made a decision based on modern legal laws. RCA expelled him. YU has fired him. You are the only ones, his cult, that won't accept it.
Really Fred B. Is it true RMT made sexual advances on your wife? If not, OK. But he has with many women and had sex with many more. You had a love rally last night. You have been fooled. He didn't allow people in the meeting who wanted to present evidence. 4 were rejected. But more will get out especially because you are allowing for continual victimization and a sex predator to get away.While I didn't put weight to JWB about the Feinsteins supporting him or not, JWB still came from the truth about RMTs' crimes and what is known about the Feinsteins' thoughts on RMT being a rasha. Being debated here all week prior to yesterdays meeting, is what got RMT and his supporters to get Feinstein. The Tendlers have built an Empire of rallying you against the world. It’s what they do best. Us or them, everyone else has it wrong. And now it’s the Modern Orthodox against the "correct Halachic" procedure of your ultra right wing idol worshiped "Rav". Only to be called "Modern Orthodox" by Jewish Week as lip service and because his Family is in this MO world.JWB has integrity and knocking down things won’t hide the truth.The Issue is: All you keep stating the same thing. He's a great man and Tzaddick, more credentials then these women since he’s your Rabbi. We believe him unless you prove to us.You are not reading comments made by supporters of victims, and victims themselves posted here, neither talking to the women or reading what the RCA said. You never investigated your self. Too many excuses for him.You are letting continual victimization occur. And you will hurt your "Rav" more because by maligning and supporting him, more will come out; your not helping him, and he'll bring you down. He is a social path convincing you he’s great. He’s a sexual predator.Get it once and for all.Women already went forward. They testified. An investigation was done both by the RCA and investigating team. The RCA has authority for its 10,000 membership. Halacally they were correct. More then 3 witnesses. RMT claims of 3 are Lies. 10-20 women. The RCA also made a decision based on modern legal laws. RCA expelled him. YU has fired him. You are the only ones, his cult, that won't accept it.G-d has already come out and the Emes of Torah and Yirah has surely prevail.
On what did Reb Dovid base his declaration? Again, did he or did he not speak with the heads of the RCA? Does anyone think for one second that the 2 heads of the RCA came to their pronouncement easily? What was missing last night is why did the RCA do what they did? Obviously they have good reason and evidence to support their position. Why did RT wait until Thursday, the day AFTER the RCA statement, to offer to meet with them? These are questions that need to be answered!! Hidding behind the guise of "its hypothetical" does not pass the smell test
(psssst -- it's 'sociopath', not 'social path', fyi. great letter, though.)
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"I am shocked that Rav Dovid showed up and I would be very interested to read a transcript of his statement. Did he openly support RMT? Or did he simply declare that the RCA investigation was not a beis din (which frankly no one disputes including the RCA or me)."Rav Moshe Tendler spoke. Rav Jofen spoke. Others spoke. Rav Dovid spoke last. He began by saying that he totally agreed with everyone that spoke before him. He continued by saying that the RCA never convened a beit din and its ruling was meaningless. Somebody asked earlier in this blog whether someone follows the RCA. I ask you whether you follow Rav Dovid? How dare you call yourself a practicing yid and reject a psak from Rav Dovid. Exactly who do you follow (besides yourself)?
Lets stick to the facts, or lack of. A couple of questions:1. Did or did not Rav Dovid speak to the RCA? Did he hear what they have to say? If not, how can he make such a blanket statement?2. Does anyone think that the RCA came to their conclusion lightly? Does anyone question the Rabbi A and Rabbi B's credentials or their moral fiber? Are they part of the witch hunt too?3. Why did RMT not agree to meet with the RCA until the day AFTER their statement was made public?4. Where does Esformes have the gall to (a) appear before a shul meeting dressed like he came from the gym? (b) threaten to sue. Does his statement that he gave the money only to build a shul for his brother-in-law mean that its was not a donation? If so, the tax-deductibily of his sizable donation is called into question. Perhaps the IRS needs to investigate.
Let's speak to the facts. Rabbi Dov Feinstein is a relative of Mordecai Tendler. How can he be unbiased? How could you put someone you watched grow up in this sort of situation?Dov Feinstein was there. He was there protecting his relative. Isn't that what families are supposed to do?
Harry, you missed the point. The RCA never claimed to convene a bais din. Nor did they have to. They did not issue a psak din. The made 2 statements based on their research and investigation. While we all may accept Rav Dovid, did he issue a psak, or just say, I agree with everyone else? If he produced a p'sak din, then lets see it. Did he do any research or just rubber stamp what was told to him by the family. Can we just stick to the facts?
to KNH Member:1. R Dovid made his decision based on what he decided was adequate information. Are you second-guessing the adequacy of the evidence used in rabbinical decisions? Then join the crowd, and direct your ire toward the RCA.2. The RCA acted to protect its credentials as a 21st century American bureaucracy. By not convening a beis din, it cemented its own demise as a Rabbinical authority. If you are in the business of respecting moral fiber, respect the letter writers. More are on their way.3. He met with them before, and talked to the Praesidium people, and was bushwacked by the publication of the announcement while he was talking to the RCA about what he could do to satisfy them.4. That's just Esformes. I know him very well. He met R Shach like that too. He is a great, great man with a beautiful heart, who has saved literally thousands of lives without anyone knowing, but he marches to his own drummer. No disrespect was intended.
"Lets stick to the facts, or lack of. A couple of questions:1. Did or did not Rav Dovid speak to the RCA? Did he hear what they have to say? If not, how can he make such a blanket statement?2. Does anyone think that the RCA came to their conclusion lightly? Does anyone question the Rabbi A and Rabbi B's credentials or their moral fiber? Are they part of the witch hunt too?3. Why did RMT not agree to meet with the RCA until the day AFTER their statement was made public?4. Where does Esformes have the gall to (a) appear before a shul meeting dressed like he came from the gym? (b) threaten to sue. Does his statement that he gave the money only to build a shul for his brother-in-law mean that its was not a donation? If so, the tax-deductibily of his sizable donation is called into question. Perhaps the IRS needs to investigate."First, why hide behind Anonymous? Put your name on your posts and be a man (or woman).1. Why speak to the RCA? The beit din process is quite clear and documented and did not take place in this case. The RCA themselves state unequivicably that the beit din delegates decision making authority to a 5 member panel, only 2 of which are Rabbanim. Being able to confront your accusers is a basic staple of the halachic process. That was not a beit din in any way, shape or form.2. For all we know the 2 Rabbanim on the panel voted against doing this. Unless the RCA opens up (and they won't) we just won't know. What is interesting to note is if in fact the report suggested just a 3 month suspension, why did the RCA vote for an expulsion? Smells like a witch hunt to me. Reminds me of Jonathan Pollard.3. The Tendlers have written proof that they did offer to meet with the RCA earlier. You were there last night so why are you dispensing false information?4. So judgemental of others with whom you disagree. He built the shul and paid for it. Like it says in Pirkei Avot, dan lekaf z'chut. Maybe he had just arrived by plane and did not have a change of clothes. Who CARES how he was dressed? As to the second part, if he has a written agrrement with the shul about his donation, that is in fact important to know. That there are stipulations on a contribution does not invalidate the tax contribution. I work for a non-profit organization and many, many people make contributions earmarked for specific purposes. There is not a necessity for a contribution to go to a general fund.
"Harry, you missed the point. The RCA never claimed to convene a bais din. Nor did they have to. They did not issue a psak din. The made 2 statements based on their research and investigation. While we all may accept Rav Dovid, did he issue a psak, or just say, I agree with everyone else? If he produced a p'sak din, then lets see it. Did he do any research or just rubber stamp what was told to him by the family. Can we just stick to the facts?"What good is an Orthodox rabbinical organization if it does not use the halachic process to make decisions? Presumably, this is an Orthodox organization. Second, to question Rav Dovid's integrity is beyond contempt. I know why you hide behind KNHMember because if you have no respect for the gedolai hador you are truly lost and would want to keep your identity hidden.
this entire website is the hell that the chofetz chaim warns of. all of you losers with nothing to do but spread loshon horah about innocent people and attempt to destroy them and there families will iy"h boil in the same pot of excrement as the wicked women accusing rav tendler. the rca is an organization made up primarily of mediocre rabbanim who's foremost purpose is to protect the rca-yu-ou-$, one large organization. it is hard to blame the rca since they are simply trying to cover for themselves after the baruch lanner incident. however, no one on the rca is of the same caliber as r' dovid feinstein. rav dovid is absolutely convinced of his nephews complete innocence or he would never have spoken publicly on his behalf. i am sure that this blog site will continue to destroy rav tendler because most of you are evil and wicked people who apparently have time to waste on this garbage all day and all night. (mabye try opening up a chumash instead, it will be far more productive.) you should just remember that ultimately you will all burn in hell for attempting to destroy the tzadik, rav tendler and his devoted family.
Morris Esformes was married to Michelle Tendler nee Jofen's sister, they are divorced.Esformes is an unbelievably charitable person and has given amazing sums of money away.I have no position on this Tendler saga, but fail to understand why Esformeses attire interests anybody:Is he being accused of anything?Btw, though he divorced his wife(with whom he did not have kids, it was second marriages for both)he is still standing by Tendler, which is interesting.JWB:You got egg all over your face with your Feinstein predictions, but at least you admitted that you had been overly pompous.JWB:A bit of humility, your head has become swollen.Since I have no position on the matter(because I have no idea if it's true or not)I judge this round as a K.O for Tendler
The process used by the RCA was known and agreed to by Rabbi Mordechai Tendler before it was begun. If there is a concern that it was not a formal Beis Din then there should be equal concern about a "psak din" by a relative, especially since he did not have any contact with the women who made the accusations.
"The process used by the RCA was known and agreed to by Rabbi Mordechai Tendler before it was begun. If there is a concern that it was not a formal Beis Din then there should be equal concern about a "psak din" by a relative, especially since he did not have any contact with the women who made the accusations."Um, no it wasn't. Once again, Rav Tendler has documented evidence that he told the RCA that he had to be able to address the accusers, i.e. the halachic process. The RCA did not respond. All the documentation is available for review. Stick to the facts.The psak was on the process not being a halachic process and therefore having no meaning. He did not say that Rabbi Tendler was right nor the women were right as the halachic process never took place to determine that (aside from the 2 previous batei din that already heard these allegations and exonerated Rabbi Tendler). Barring the halachic process, there is a presumtion of innocence. Once again, to challenge Rav Dovid's integrity is pretty gosh darn low. But, then again, seeing the garbage that's been posted here, this seems to be par for the course.
Fred B sent out a letter to many New Hempstead Orthodox Jewish people several years ago. In that letter he wrote that whoever davened in shuls other than Tendler's their prayers were not heard in Shomayim. Tendler also supposedly gave a p'sak that the other shuls in New Hempstead had the din of Reform Temples. He forbade people from his shul from speaking or even saying "Good Shabbos" to people from other shuls. His zombie followers actually believed this garbage. He also gave a "curse" against people that chose to daven at other shuls. Whether coincidence or not, some people who had other shuls in their homes suffered tragedies. This is unacceptable to have such a spiritual leader in New Hempstead...one that curses his neighbors for davening in other shuls.
The issue is not Rav David's integrity but the implications of his questioning a non Beis Din which never claimed to be one. An organization, including a rabbinic organization, need not convene a formal Beis Din to determine whether a member is in good standing. Since you acknowledge that Rav David did not make any judgment about the actual accusations then his statement is of limited significance
this is so weird...when you write that the tendler people are zombies...well how can zombies walk, talk or eat or do business..when you are lost at words you go and turn to name calling..i personally know a tendler person and he aint a zombie in any way !!!
"The issue is not Rav David's integrity but the implications of his questioning a non Beis Din which never claimed to be one. An organization, including a rabbinic organization, need not convene a formal Beis Din to determine whether a member is in good standing. Since you acknowledge that Rav David did not make any judgment about the actual accusations then his statement is of limited significance"My mistake... I thought we were Orthodox Jews and go to Din Torah... I guess you think differently... I thought we do things according to halacha... You think differently... You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it is not based in halacha... Orthodox Jews are supposed to follow halacha - period... If you are Orthodox then that is what you must demand and that is the standard you must require... To settle for less is pathetic...What is most surprising to me is that the RCA, presumably an Orthodox body, would not do things according to halacha... Where is the uproar from the RCA membership requiring their organization to follow halacha??? How can the RCA membership remain silent as their organization gets ripped when a gadol hador refutes their way of doing things??? Where is Rabbi Herring??? Why would any Orthodox Rabbi want to be a member of a Rabbinic organization that does not follow halacha??? Perhaps these Orthodox Rabbbis should join the Rabbinical Assembly instead???
Harry You are a nice guy but sometimes you are a dope. The RCA did not have a beis din. It was not for the purpose of one person suing another. There was no need for a beis din. This was not a situation to see if one person owed another some money etc. The whole idea that they needed a beis din here is totally wrong. All the RCA did was expell Tendler from membership. A beis din was not necessary for such a thing. OK Harry? Catching on?
"Harry You are a nice guy but sometimes you are a dope. The RCA did not have a beis din. It was not for the purpose of one person suing another. There was no need for a beis din. This was not a situation to see if one person owed another some money etc. The whole idea that they needed a beis din here is totally wrong. All the RCA did was expell Tendler from membership. A beis din was not necessary for such a thing. OK Harry? Catching on?"1) Why do hide behind Anonymous? I may be a dope but at least I am not a chicken.2) Rav Dovid said differently. Unless, you are a gadol hador, I think I am going to go with his opinion.
1) I readily admit that Rav Dovid apperently showed up last night. I was wrong. I am humbled by the power of evil to manipulate and fool even one of his stature. One hopes never to live in a generation when people of such great potential choose to stand with the generation's Shabtai Tzvi, in this case Rabbi Mordechai Tendler. Yet such events occur every few generations.I'm still very interested in what actual assertions he made regarding RMT. >Reb Dovid was in attendance to >support Rabbi Tendler and gave a >psak thst the RCA decision was >not Din Torah.If his sole claim was that the RCA investigation was not a beis din, so what?2) No one has addressed the noticeable abscene of Rav Reuven which I did correctly predict.
3) I believe many of my predictions as to events and tactics were quite accurate. I would note, I never made any claim that Rabbi Mordechai Tendler would be removed by the boad. I never believed it would happen. I believe that many of those involved against RMT still don't recognize the evil of those around RMT or the dynamics of this cult-like group.4) Can someone post a very detailed description of the events last night?
5)>I ask you whether you follow Rav >Dovid?No, I follow Hashem.I respected his father Reb Moshe as one of the great poskim of his generation but again he was not my Rebbe and there were other poskim that I followed over Reb Moshe at times.>How dare you call yourself a >practicing yid and reject a psak >from Rav Dovid. Exactly who do >you follow (besides yourself)?Again I follow Hashem. You clearly follow something else if you truly believe the words you spew.I certainly have posted my support of Rabbi Nosson Slifkin here in several posts. Clearly I don't see eye to eye with Rav Dovid on the ban or the herem he placed a decent man like Rabbi Slifkin in.
I have great respect for Rav Reuven who did not stand with RMT and I had great respect for Rav Dovid. In the past, they have both stayed out of scandal and community shmutz. It is has been very dishearting and shocking over the past months to watch Rav Dovid take public positions in regard to crustations in the water supply, Rabbi Slifkin and now RMT all of which lfi aniyato d'ati are troubling and certainly with the last two are clearly wrong. It is certainly a black day for the Torah world when one of substance in misled by a rasha like RMT.I would note, that I have not heard or read precisely what Rav Dovid has claimed but even attending that meeting in any way supporting RMT is a chillul Hashem.
Based on claims of what was said last night it is a dark day for women and children in the Orthodox community all the lessons from Lanner have been lost. Basically, as we saw in the Lanner case, the Beit din system does not work in cases of sexual abuse/exploitation. These are crimes committed in private there are no witnesses. There is nothing a beis din can do. KNH, RMT's followers and enablers and their Rabbinical supporters are sending a clear message:there is no where for victims of abuse/exploitation to turn.A victory for Rabbi Baruch Lanner, Rabbi Matis Weinberg, Rabbi Ephraim Bryks and Rabbi Mordechai Tendler.But this will be a short lived victory.This is a message that cannot be allowed to stand. This is a group that cannot be allowed to prosper.We have only begun to fight.Bring it on.
R Reuven wasn't there because of prior commitmant to speak at a mosad dinner elsewhere, so he wrote a letter of support. His Rebbetzin, Rebbetzin Sheila Feinstein, was there.Some have argued that you don't need a formal Beis Din to establish "shmu'ah lo tovah" or to expell someone from membership in a private organization. OK, then, for a ten dollar debt you need due process and the right to face your accusers and dayonim and transparency, but to murder a man and irreparably ruin his family, well, who cares. The people of Sdom would have found this to be an appealing philosophy.
>2) Rav Dovid said differently. >Unless, you are a gadol hador, I >think I am going to go with his >opinionHarry, please clarify. Did Rav Dovid say that the RCA required a bais din to expel a member? Or, did he say that a bais din is required before labelling someone with "behavior unbecoming an Orthodox Rabbi"? My impression its the latter, and in that, he may very well be correct.That being said, the only question on the table should be put to a vote of the PAYING membership and that is: Does the membership want to continue employing RMT as their Rov? Its a very simple question and one that Eric should put to a vote ASAP.
R Reuven wasn't there because of prior commitmant to speak at a mosad elsewhere, so he wrote a letter of support. His Rebbetzin, Rebbetzin Sheila Feinstein, was there.Some have argued that you don't need a formal Beis Din to establish "shmu'ah lo tovah" or to expel someone from membership in a private organization. OK, then, for a ten dollar debt you need due process and the right to face your accusers and dayonim and transparency, but to murder a man and irreparably ruin his family, well, who cares. The people of Sdom would have found this to be an appealing philosophy.
JWBThis is not a victory for RMT. He is still finished. It is just a matter of time. His kehilah will disintegrate and he will not be accepted in the mainstream.This was just a charade but I suspect the rank and file membership of his shul isn't buying.The last thing in the world the RCA wanted to do was chuck out one of its own members (and a connected and powerful one, at that). The fact that they did it means there is fire where there was smoke.Anyone with a brain can figure that out.
Some of you, whether you were there last night or not, are blogging yourselves into a Pickel. Check facts before you type. You know, some things are Black and White, and some things are Gray. But this one is clearly not Gary. The RCA’s opening letter from March 2004 stated unequivacly that the “investigation” is governed by the RCA’s Constitution and in fact enclosed the relevant sections from the Constitution which state, black & white, that a bais din would control, and in went so far as to allow the rabbi to elect a zabl”a.. So the RCA not only ignored facts, violated Halacha (aren’t they suppossed to be a Halachic organization (I mean Halacha per the real Torah - M’Sinai, not the self-made torah m’JWB)?), obliterated any semblance of propriety or due process, but even disregarded its own Constitution, tsk tsk, for the sake of pursuing the personal agendas of comittee (who?) members. They put themselves into a huge pickle. That is what’s black & white, without a shade of gary.
My name is Daniel B. Schwartz. I'm the "divorce lawyer from New York City" bandied about this blog yesterday. I figured that those of you out there considering filing a grievance against me with the Committee on Character and Fitness would appreciate knowing my name. Also make sure to file in the First Department, where I am admitted. Quite frankly, I'd love it if each and everyone one of you who commented of my alleged "conflict of interest" filed a grievance. Not only am I prepared to answer such claim, but I am quite confident that any such grievance would be summarilly dismissed. Moreover since anyone filing a grievance against an attorney must provide his/her name and address, I'd love to learn the identities of each and every one of you gutless, snivelling swine who act so very brave and post the nastiest comments, all the while cowardly hiding behind the veil of anonymity. So what do you all say? Are any of you prepared to go "mano a mano?" Either put up or shut up.
What happened at the meeting was predictable, at least to those that believe that justice does sometimes prevail. The committee at the RCA that thought it could get away with this travesty must have been suffering from the worst delusions of hubris.Ironically, the Announcement, intended to end the career of RMT, turned out to be the epitaph of the RCA as a respectable Rabbinical organization. What a waste of potential!It's time for the American Rabbinate to develop an alternative.
Daniel Schwartz??? Who used to be the Chazan at Adereth El on 29th Street???
Welcome to the sick world of Jewish Whistleblower, dedicated to destroying reputations with nothing but innuendo and his own warped logic to back him up.I know absolutely nothing about the Tendler case, but after following JWB's obsessive rantings for the past year and a half, especially around cases I DO know something about, I now automatically believe the innocence of whatever rabbi JWB is attacking. He has been consistently wrong and vindictive and disgustingly arrogant so many times before... why should this case be any different?
This is Daniel Schwartz again. To the poster who asked if I was once the chazan on 29th st., it seems like more than a lifetime ago, but yes I was chazan in that schul. Now you know who I am. Who are you?
You are claiming that Halacha should be used, what halachic did you follow accusing any women? You had all this time to set up a Torah system of investigation to help the women and set the record straight. Are you offering a beit Din now? The women wouldn’t have a chance. Where can victims/survivors go to for help?
whatever happened to the student from chofetz chaim who saw something going on with a woman and mt and wanted to come forward? maybe rabbi glazer should be interviewing his students instead of "standing by"mt
daniel,you are still pretty new to the neighborhood and unfortunately no one warned you of the boosha that our community was suffering because of our rabbi. now you know the truth as we have all learned slowly but truly the truth comes out.
Daniel Schwartz again. I've learned quite a bit about Rav Tendler since moving into town seven months ago. I'm all in favor of all the truth, no matter how sordid, ugly or embarrassing coming out into the open. My hunch is that it would be sordid, ugly and embarassing to those who make claims against R. Tendler. If you think I'm wrong, identify yourself and let's meet for a chat. You tell me what you know, i'll tell you what I know.
This site is sick.You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
I am not a member of KNH but R’ Tendler has been my and my husband’s rav for a number of years. I was only reading this blog to find out what happened at last night's meeting but now feel compelled to add my two cents. I am a clinical social worker within the frum community, and I know all too well that being a sexual predator is not precluded by position or attire. However, men who indulge such taivas generally fit a profile, giving off a “vibe” of being sexually available in some way. Baruch Lanner, for instance, is an excellent example of this profile. In all my dealings with R’ Tendler, he has been unfailingly proper, even in potentially delicate situations. He has never struck me as sexual or suggestive in any way -- quite the opposite. While of course any allegations must be taken seriously, it is *inconceivable* to me that R’ Tendler could have acted in such a way based on my own observations of his character. He has always struck me as naive in some ways, however, so I could well imagine him meeting with women alone without thought to the consequences (though I do not know this to be a fact.) Let us remember that R’ Tendler sometimes meets with very disturbed, angry individuals. Let us remember that the RCA had a huge scandal regarding Baruch Lanner and may be overly eager to make amends, even at the risk of motzi shem ra. The fact that they chose not to have a beis din casts aspersions on their legitimacy as an Orthodox agency. It is also clear from many of the above posts that some people have issues with R’ Tendler that go well beyond the matter at hand. It’s okay not to like R’ Tendler. That doesn’t make him guilty. The only thing that can do that is concrete evidence produced during a halachic process.
Rabbi Glazer of Chofetz Chayim, His comments cannot be taken seriously ... he is afraid that MT's board will throw out his Yeshivah!
>My name is Daniel B. Schwartz. >I'm the "divorce lawyer from New >York City" bandied about this >blog yesterday. I figured that >those of you out there >considering filing a grievance >against me with the Committee on >Character and Fitness would >appreciate knowing my name.>Also make sure to file in the >First Department, where I am >admitted.Could you give my readers the phone number and address for making complaints, perhaps a link as well?>Quite frankly, I'd love it if >each and everyone one of you who >commented of my >alleged "conflict of interest" >filed a grievance. Not only am I >prepared to answer such claim, >but I am quite confident that >any such grievance would be >summarilly dismissed.Great why don't you address the preceived conflict of interest right here and now, tough guy?Tell us why it's ethical for a board mamber who is susposed to represent the membership of KNH to be giving legal advise to an employee and the board when their appears to be conflicting interests. Why are you giving advise to Rabbi Mordechai Tendler when there are allegations of sexual exploitation by current and former members, who you should be representing in your role on the board? Why are you providing legal advise to both an employee and the board, when their interests differ?>Moreover since anyone filing a >grievance against an attorney >must provide his/her name and >address, I'd love to learn the >identities of each and every one >of you gutless, snivelling swine >who act so very brave and post >the nastiest comments, all the >while cowardly hiding behind the >veil of anonymity. So what do >you all say? Are any of you >prepared to go "mano a mano?" Lots of adjectives tough guy, why don't you address the questions?>Either put up or shut up. Ditto.Readers, feel free to post questions to Danny Schwartz.I'll start:1) Did you recommend the tactics that Rabbi Mordechai Tendler has allegedly been using during the RCA investigation that included contacting witnesses in ways that have been described as intimidation? If so does this reflect your typical tactics. Was it effective? It seems to have resulted in RMT's expullsion from the RCA and extensive press coverage.2) Why did RMT pay a married woman $100K and have her sign a confidentiality agreement?3) Why are there so many complaints by so many women aganist RMT?4) Why was RMT at no time put on suspension from KMH during the investigation by the RCA? Did you choose to pre-judge?
>Daniel Schwartz again. ...>You tell me what you know, i'll >tell you what I know. Here's your forum Danny boy. why don't you post your documentation and make your case tough guy.Didn't work so well at the RCA did it?Put up or shut up.
To the last person who posted. Don't you see the irony in pointing out that the RCA is "guilty" of doing what it is doing to MT-as opposed to what it "failed to do in the Lanner case" thereby exacting some measure of "teshuva." When, in fact by protecting the abused and not the abuser(mt) the RCA is in fact acting appropriately. With regard to your interjection of lanner into these proceedings, I am a survivor whot estified against him at the bet din in'89, as well as someone who helped willig understand the heinous nature of his behavior. I do not recognize your name and do not appreciate you co-opting the lanner debacle for your needs. It is inapropriate and had nothing to do with mt's despicable behavior. As a licensed professional, you should be embarrassed that you willingly protect this abuser and are a defacto victimizer yourself. No matter "how professional he seems:, statitistics show that for so many people to come forward and accuse soemone that they know ( vs an ananymous attacker) there is what to rely on until they are completely disproven. You have taken a position which is not only hurtful, but unprofessional.
I can confirm the above much watered-down (to protect victims) summary of the case is accurate and from a legitimate source close to the RCA investigation.
To tough guy danny schwartz: danny danny danny! you have not lived long enough in New Hempstead to know your butt from a hole in the ground. Now, I am not a lawyer, but I do know one thing: you can't share information about your client with anyone so don't offer to do so in a public forum. It just makes you look like you are either totally incompetent, a distinct possibility, or a slick inexperienced shyster who thinks he can fool people. well you didn't fool me and I did not even graduate from college.
Poor Danny boy appears to be all bark and no bite.Why people take him seriously is beyond me.
There you go again, G ... twisting in the wind, huh?
hey JWB: what do you think about the aguna issue in relation to all this? do you think women will continue to be trapped by their husbands for years?
JWB wrote:>My name is Daniel B. Schwartz. >I'm the "divorce lawyer from New >York City" bandied about this >blog yesterday. I figured that >those of you out there >considering filing a grievance >against me with the Committee on >Character and Fitness would >appreciate knowing my name.>Also make sure to file in the >First Department, where I am >admitted.Could you give my readers the phone number and address for making complaints, perhaps a link as well?>Quite frankly, I'd love it if >each and everyone one of you who >commented of my >alleged "conflict of interest" >filed a grievance. Not only am I >prepared to answer such claim, >but I am quite confident that >any such grievance would be >summarilly dismissed.Great why don't you address the preceived conflict of interest right here and now, tough guy?Tell us why it's ethical for a board mamber who is susposed to represent the membership of KNH to be giving legal advise to an employee and the board when their appears to be conflicting interests. Why are you giving advise to Rabbi Mordechai Tendler when there are allegations of sexual exploitation by current and former members, who you should be representing in your role on the board? Why are you providing legal advise to both an employee and the board, when their interests differ?>Moreover since anyone filing a >grievance against an attorney >must provide his/her name and >address, I'd love to learn the >identities of each and every one >of you gutless, snivelling swine >who act so very brave and post >the nastiest comments, all the >while cowardly hiding behind the >veil of anonymity. So what do >you all say? Are any of you >prepared to go "mano a mano?" Lots of adjectives tough guy, why don't you address the questions?>Either put up or shut up. Ditto.Readers, feel free to post questions to Danny Schwartz.I'll start:1) Did you recommend the tactics that Rabbi Mordechai Tendler has allegedly been using during the RCA investigation that included contacting witnesses in ways that have been described as intimidation? If so does this reflect your typical tactics. Was it effective? It seems to have resulted in RMT's expullsion from the RCA and extensive press coverage.2) Why did RMT pay a married woman $100K and have her sign a confidentiality agreement?3) Why are there so many complaints by so many women aganist RMT?4) Why was RMT at no time put on suspension from KMH during the investigation by the RCA? Did you choose to pre-judge? At 4:46 PM, jewishwhistleblower said... >Daniel Schwartz again. ...>You tell me what you know, i'll >tell you what I know. Here's your forum Danny boy. why don't you post your documentation and make your case tough guy.Didn't work so well at the RCA did it?Put up or shut up.I'll now briefly respond.I posted here in my name to demonstrate just how pathetic all of you, who post behind a veil of annomity are. You're a bunch of cowards too scared to really stand up for your views. I won't engage with spineless gutless people who hide under a rock taking at other people merely to satisfy their peurile and lascvious desires. Anyone wants to discusss this issue with me will have to identify themselves.
Although I stated I would not post anymore, I feel the need to convey this message. I would like to make a comment to all those that read the blogs, if I may, especially those associated with KNH or live and know about the community. I have noticed that there are members, Board members, and others associated with KNH in some way, that are posting under their true names, or as "anonymous". The blogs, as all of us know and have seen, contain completely inaccurate information and outright lies that simply fuel the fire of controversy. More importantly, it puts doubts and questions in people's minds that allows one to paint a picture of the situation that is completely false. Since we are all human and prone to the "tabloid like" and salacious comments that are posted, we then tell others the "gossip" that we read or heard about on these sites. As misinformation is trickled down from one to the next, and no doubt gets changed and modified along the way, spreading these rumors becomes a very dangerous weapon. It is like an addiction, but the dangerous side effects in this case are known as Loshen Hara, Motzei Shem Ra, and Rechilus. Any fearful Jew who even slightly has a sense of common decency and respect for Torah should know that reading blogs is contrary to all of the Chofetz Chaim's teaching. By now we have all heard, and may have actually read, the post in the name of Jean Joffen, that was on one of the blogs. How much more sick could it get or what better proof does one need to see what blogs are all about. I think the Board needs to inform the membership that it is unhealthy to read the blogs and for sure, even more unhealthy to post. If you look at blogs in general, other than jewishwhistleblower, newhempsteadnews, and jewishidea, you will see that at most, comments to these blogs get maybe 5-10 responses at most. Jewishwhistleblower has gotten on some posting related to the Rabbi of 150+ per storyline. Bloging is like reproductive cycle of rabbits, it is rampant and continuously multiplies. People need to stop blogging so that the individuals behind the blogs wind up with only a handful of people communicating. While we can appreciate the need and desire for people to try to set the record straight, by posting information, even the true information winds up getting twisted around, and new rumors break off of that. But ultimately, no one can determine which is truth and which is sheker (lies). People, especially members should realize that ultimately, it is in the best interest of the Rabbi and KNH to refrain from blogging and to refrain in general from reading them as well. You will also no doubt, help to save the soul of JWB as well.
Correction of one post here. The RCA "serves over 1000" members. A previous poster stated 10,000 members.
You really are desperate! Once you fell flat on your face with your assertions and insistence that the Feinsteins are not behind Rabbi Tendler, your true colors have come out. You post all the old allegations, for no purpose other then to try to recreate a hue and cry, when it is clear that until there is something new and definitive,the general perception is that this is a witch hunt, and those who have lead it are desperately doing anything to regain footing. Where is all the promised "evidence"?...the "wait for Sunday night"? enough with the rumour mongering and sheker
Looks and sounds like the rantings of JC. After he stopped drinking, the real politico showed up.
This whole thing can be put to rest if the physical evidence so widely rumored about actually showed up, however it has not. In an important matter such as this the 'evidence' should be put forth. Otherwise i will err on the side of innocence, which is more of the decent thing to do than much of the rumormongering going on right now. In other words, 'show me the money' and then finally this whole matter will come to rest.
DURING THE MEETING I SAW RMT LEAVE THE HALL AND MAKE HIS WAY TO THE MENS ROOM.HOPING TO GET A PIECE OF THE ACTION I FOLLOWED HIM THERE.......AT THE URINAL,I FOUND THAT HE HAD ACTUALLY PEED YELLOW PISH !!!
HYPOCRICY OF JWB AND BLOGERS WHO COWARDLY REFUSE TO REVEAL WHO THEY ARE: Bogged Down By BloggersGary Rosenblatt - Editor and Publisherhttp://www.thejewishweek.com/top/editcolcontent.php3"That’s not the way journalism is supposed to work, but there’s not much I can do about it. Over the years in this profession I’ve gotten thicker skin, but there are people whose lives are more private than mine whose reputations and character are maligned in these reports. They have no one to turn to in order to set the record straight, and that’s just not right." " To be sure, there are some very thoughtful and worthwhile bloggers out there, and they tend to be the ones who identify themselves and have an expertise in and passion for the subjects they write about.What bothers me, though, is that in this still emerging field, there is no accountability and there are no professional standards to be met. In the rush to get a story out first, the emphasis is on timeliness rather than accuracy, with seemingly little regard –– or responsibility –– for printing rumors or theories that are untrue. "So people who are mentioned and maligned by an anonymous blogger have no recourse.""yet there are countless people reading blogs on the Web by would-be journalists whose reports go unsubstantiated and unedited, and the results are often hurtful, damaging people’s characters and reputations.""More upsetting are the bloggers who criticize individuals by name, make accusations against rabbis and communal leaders, but don’t have the guts to identify themselves, or bother to interview the people they write about.""One of the better known Jewish reporting blogs calls for “accountability and transparency within our institutions and leadership,” a noble goal, indeed. But the “About me” area on the home page where the blogger usually posts some details about him or her self is empty. To demand full disclosure of others without identifying one’s self seems the height of chutzpah and hypocrisy to me."THATS WHY YOU ARE :JWB - JEW WITHOUT BALLS
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