Monday, February 14, 2005

"Kosher" meat fraud in Flatbush


At 10:43 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

My sources indicate that this is very serious. There is evidence that plumbas/tags were placed on meat that was definately not Glatt to indicate it was Glatt. The source of the original meat is still not clear.

There is unconfirmed discussion of this in these comments.

At 11:12 AM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

I quess you missed my earlier posts to your site so i'll cut and paste like a2 year old just for you.......
At 8:28 AM, AMSHINOVER said...
I was back @ the mikva today and this is what i heard there:
1]Kehilla kasrus found plumbas[tag placed under a kosher chickens wing,and only to be found there or in the rav hamachshe's pocket]in the owner of (not so) kosher spot's office
2)cuts of meat never sold by rubaskin to anyone kosher,where found in k.s.[and paperific]'s display with rubashkin's seal
3]the retail price of rubashkins meat at k.s. was less then rub charged k.s.
4]we still don't know if the issue is glatt or not , or truly trief [non-kosher].The next question pending the above one, will be what to do with our pots pans and dishes.kill the guy from ks but first woojee woojee

At 10:26 AM, AMSHINOVER said...
The Blogger Who calls his site THEFRESHVIEW.BLOGSPOT.COM
just emailed me this from his mikva
"Thus far I have been able to verify the following from a couple of sources.

When International Glatt closed its store on Avenue J, Kosher Spot opened up a fresh meat department. I spoke with the owner at that time, and he told me that he was selling Rubashkin meat. Kosher Spot also began to supply other stores with fresh meat. Both of the Paperific stores in Flatbush and Boro Park carried meat from Kosher Spot. There is also a store in Crown Heights that carried meat from Kosher Spot. There may well have been others. Kosher Spot was under the supervision of Kehilah Kashrus.

Kosher Spot was caught selling non-glatt, but nonetheless kosher meat and claiming that it was Glatt meat. As a result of this, Kehilah has removed its certification from Kosher Spot. The place is now closed.

According to Rabbi D. Feinstein if one used this meat, then one need do nothing. According Rabbis Hillel David and Yisroel Reisman, anyone who used meat from Kosher Spot that was purchased since last November should kasher his/her pots.

Apparently there are other related issues that are being looked into, but I have no verifiable information about these.

For your information, Mountain Fruit, which is in no way involved in this matter, sells both Aaron's (Rubashkin) and Weinstock (Satmar) meat. I called the store this morning and asked where the meat is coming from and where it is being packaged. I was told that the meat is coming from these Rubashkin and Weinstock and is then cut and packaged in the Mountain Fruit store. Some of the meat in the showcase says Aaron's on the label and some says Weinstock on the label. The person I spoke with told me that Kehilah Kashrus has a mashgiach Temidi in Mountain Fruit who makes sure that the two kinds of meat are kept separate and labeled properly. He suggested that I call Kehilah to verify this. I have not done this.

The Satmar community in Boro Park and in Williamsburg both have butcher shops that are under the supervision of the respective Kehillas. Perhaps what we need in Flatbush is a non-profit, community butcher shop that is under the supervision of both the Vaad of Flatbush and Kehilah."
......but first Woojee Woojee.

At 11:14 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Saw them all.
See links above in 1st comment.

At 8:27 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

see also:

Sunday, February 13, 2005
Something is not so Kosher in Brooklyn...
So I'm at my parents this past shabbos. My father tells me the following story and my mouth just dropped.Evidently a Kosher meat shop in Brooklyn named "Kosher Spot" was running a scam and got caught red. They were selling meat which was not Glatt kosher as Glatt. To make matter worse they had a box of plumbas (the metal Kosher seal which are always affixed to the meat or chicken) from various
hashgochos which they could use at their discretion. Needless to say there was a major uproar in the community. 50 prominent Rabannim got together to discuss the issue as to whether people might have to chuck their pots and pans (there seemed to have been some question of tarfus as well). There was also the issues of the stores that had bought this same meat from this company wholesale to restaurants or other stores etc. Needless to say some stores had to get rid of this meat as well as compensate their own customers for this grave atrocity. More to come..........

posted by MusicYid | 2/13/2005 09:47:00 AM

At 11:51 PM, Anonymous Shmarya said...

Rabbi Yudel Shain has written that (non-Jewish) Rubashkin truck drivers have boxes of seals on their trucks and use them at their discretion to label boxes "Lubavitch" or "Margareten," etc. so they can make their shipments fit the actual orders they are supposed to be filling. He claims to have seen a box of labels fall off a Rubashkin truck. He picked up the labels and still has them.

I personally know of instances where meat whose box seal read "Lubavitch" was filled with both Lubavitch and KAJ, etc. meat.

I also know of an instance where non-glatt bologna was delivered in a box labeled KAJ and Glatt.

How much of this is a scam run by Kosher Spot, and how much are errors from Rubashkin?

At 5:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm surprised at rabbi Shain's words.

These are very serious accusations.

If he actually saw these “Rubashkin truck drivers [that] have boxes of seals on their trucks and use them at their discretion to label boxes "Lubavitch" or "Margareten” and “claims to have seen a box of labels fall off a Rubashkin truck”, his complaint should be addressed in person to Rabbi Chaim Cohen (KAJ), the Margaretner Rov and Rabbi A. Ozdoba of Crown Heights.

More so – he should be talking to all the Kehilos (such as Flatbush) that carry KAJ, Margaraten, Chabad and Weismandel– all produced by Rubashkin.

The fact that his accusations have had no bearing on the Kashrus standing of Rubashkin meat by ANY other respectable Rov – speaks much of Rabbi Shain’s agenda.

By even mentioning his rabble you are motzie la’az on all Rabbonim, their hechsher and their respected kehilos that use Rubashkin meat on a daily basis.

Mipnei Kovod Hatorah - I will leave it at this.

At 11:22 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...


Consumer Kashrut Alerts
The following kashrus alert is from a newspaper ad from Kehila Kashrus, posted on February 11, 2005 and ammended on February 17, 2005.
Please be advised that all meat purchased at Kosher Spot, 1316 Avenue J, Brooklyn, NY, before Fab., 1, 2005 or carrying the Kosher Spot label and bought at other locations before Feb.1, 2005 is being recalled and should not be used.
This recall does NOT apply to any raw poultry sold at Paperific - Flatbush and Boro Park, or Friedman's of Boro Park.
ed. note: If you have any questions, you can call Kehilah Kashrus at 718-951-0481.

At 11:30 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Here's a link to the Kosher Today article posted at above comment links:

At 8:21 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

1) More discssion

Rabbis, Agencies in Urgent Effort to Protect Consumers from Kosher Meat Fraud
(Brooklyn, NY) Community rabbis and certification agencies are planning to meet soon to adopt measures to protect consumers from the type of fraud in glatt kosher meats that rocked the kosher community last week. A major Flatbush retailer was forced to close after it was discovered that “kosher” flanken was repackaged and mislabeled as “glatt kosher.” Sources say that glatt kosher flanken were in extremely short supply of late. In ads and flyers distributed throughout the Brooklyn communities of Crown Heights, Boro Park, and Flatbush, the Kehila Kashrus agency of Flatbush, advised consumers of a “recall” of kosher meats purchased at the kosher takeout store prior to February 1 st. Sources told Kosher Today that the mislabeled meats were also distributed by the Flatbush retailer to at least three other stores in the heavily populated Orthodox Jewish communities of Brooklyn. The meat was traced to AgriProcessors of Postville, Iowa who sold the meat to a New York distributor who in turn sold the “kosher” (non-glatt kosher) meat to the Brooklyn store. There is a market, albeit shrinking, for the “kosher” meat, which is substantially less costly than the glatt variety. Animals that are examined after slaughter and are found to have adhesions on the lungs are sold as kosher and not glatt kosher (smooth – no adhesions). Amongst the recommendations that the rabbis are considering are tighter controls on the “middlemen” and requiring retailers that repackage kosher products to retain full time kosher supervisors. Although urged not to use the meats, glatt kosher consumers were also told by most rabbis (with some notable exceptions) that they would not have to kosher pots, dishes, and flatware because the mislabeled products were kosher in any event.


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