Monday, January 03, 2005

Cross-Currents discovers "hate speech" in reform Judaism movement: Yudeline points out what whining hypocrites Cross-Current bloggers are

11 Comments:

At 11:40 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

see: http://www.shmoozenet.com/yudel/mtarchives/000899.html

Excellent post.


Orthodox spokesman who said that Orthodox Judaism views leaders of Reform and Conservative Judaism:

"These people are not so much meant to be hated as enemies and wished dead for the sake of 'revenge' or to see them dead. The way we hate such people is not like the 'cat hates the mouse,' but rather like the 'storekeeper hates the vermin' which infest his
store, not hating the vermin themselves but wanting them
gone in order to arrest the damage they are causing. We
resent their existence. So, in lieu of the fact that we are
not allowed to physically harm these people today, we
should still treat them with utter contempt and disrespect,
avoiding contact with them as one would with any
destructive fiend."

Points to be awarded to my blog readers:
1) 2 points for naming him
2) 3 points for the name of the book and year of the printing that had this excerpt
3) 5 points for a link to my blog post on this religious leader
4) 10 points to any of the numerous links on Torah.org to articles written by this religious leader

Points apply to whoever posts answers 1st whether here or at Yudeline.

 
At 11:51 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

More from mystery Orthodox spokesman's book:

Mystery Orthodox Spokesman writes about Conservative and Reform leaders that there is "a law which orders loyal Jews to kill these types of people if at all possible," a law which was declared
inapplicable today by the Chazon Ish but which "remains
valuable for the light it sheds on the way Real Judaism"
regards such people.

5) 15 bonus points for any reader that can determine how many articles by Mystery Orthodox Spokesman are on (Cross-Currents blog founder) Rabbi Menken's Torah.org website.

 
At 12:17 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

More from mystery Orthodox spokesman's book:

Mystery Orthodox spokesman states that Conservative and Reform leaders "qualify for the infamous titles of min and apikoros" and
"are the followers of Korach;" mystery Orthodox spokesman states that "these man-made 'religions' [Conservative and Reform] are the most destructive forces in the history of the Jewish people and
all those who seek to spread their noxious heresies are
mesisim, instigators whose aim is to lead astray the
masses;"

 
At 12:42 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Again the "hate speech" Jeff Ballabon and Yaakov Menken "discovered":

>Orthodox Jews point of view concerning the Reform movement:
>-Less religious, therefore less Jewish
>-Not real Jews because we don’t observe properly

Jeff Ballabon's reaction:
>ADL et al, should demand the Reform movement immediately
>denounce the libel against Orthodox Jews and clarify that,
>unlike Reform, Orthodox Jews maintain the age-old rule
>that there is no belief litmus test for a Jew. We don’t
>toss you out because we disagree with you or you disagree
>with us.

No, we just delete and block your comments.

Thanks Reb Yudel for pointing out what whining hypocrites Cross-Current bloggers are.

 
At 1:18 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

6) 20 bonus points for any reader that can determine how many times Mystery Orthodox Spokesman is referred to by Rabbi Menken on the Cross-Currents blog to date.

 
At 7:35 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

2 points for Joe Schick:

http://www.shmoozenet.com/yudel/mtarchives/000899.html#comments
Comments
I assume the quote is from Avi Shafran. I certainly agree that the statements are repugnant. But wasn't the book published something like 30 years ago? It would seem to be best to ask R. Shafran for an explanation and whether he would retract what he wrote then.

 
At 1:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's explained and retracted many times already. Jewish Whistleblower needs to find a gainful occupation of some sort.

 
At 1:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No, we just delete and block your comments." So what? Why are you guys so deeply over-sensitive? You refer to "hate speech" in quotes. It gives the impression that Cross-Currents called is hate speech. I don't see where they said that.

 
At 1:54 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>He's explained and retracted many times already. Jewish

Per Reb Yudal:
http://www.shmoozenet.com/yudel/mtarchives/000899.html
>The paragraph in question was only removed from the web
>version of the online book within the past year or so.

If an explanation/retraction/apology exists, please post.

I can't see any explanation for printing and distributing such repugnant statements for over 30 years.

I'd like to see (if it exits) what was retracted, when and why.

Frankly, I'd like to see an intelligent apology.

 
At 1:59 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>You refer to "hate speech" in quotes. It gives the
>impression that Cross-Currents called is hate speech.
>I don't see where they said that.

Check again.

http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/01/03/smoking-gun/
January 3, 2005
Smoking Gun
Filed by Yaakov Menken @ 4:07 pm under General
...
How common is this sort of hate speech in the NFTY education system?

 
At 2:00 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>"No, we just delete and block your comments." So what?

OK, so what?

>Why are you guys so deeply over-sensitive?

Ditto.

 

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