Friday, December 31, 2004

Rabbi Yaakov Menken commits mozi shem rah against Gary Rosenblatt

13 Comments:

At 9:22 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

I'm absolutely disgusted by yet another Rabbi who does not get it.


see: http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2004/12/30/blogging-and-emloshon-horaem-gossip/#comments
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I will make one comment about the so-called “watchdog” mentality, as applied to a well-known scandal of a few years back. The newspaper editor who “broke” that story insisted that he “went public” not because he wanted to sell papers and enhance his own reputation as a journalist, but because “nothing was being done.”

Then, two years later, he “broke” a similar story after a whole set of steps were taken, and, in fact, the first line of his story was that a Bais Din was about to be convened in order to find out the truth.

This tells you something about the truthfulness of the so-called “justification” for his publication of the first set of allegations. I am not saying that those who should have done better supervision are not worthy of criticism – but I’m saying something about the motivations of self-appointed watchdogs.
...

 
At 9:27 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

I've criticized Rosenblatt publically (and deservingly) but when it comes to the Rabbi Baruch Lanner and Rabbi Matis Weinberg cases, he should get a medal. He protected children/young women/men from sexual predators something that in both cases rabbonim involved were incapable of. These predators preyed on our community for decades.

Rabbi Yaakov Menken what you have written shames us all. You owe Rosenblatt a public apology.

What research have you done in these cases? Have you spoken to the victims? Does the truth even matter to you?

 
At 9:32 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>in fact, the first line of his story was that a Bais Din was
>about to be convened in order to find out the truth.

It wasn't a beit din at all and it wasn't convened to find out the truth.

It was merely a tribunal that gave permission to forward the allegations to a beis din in Israel that refused to hear the matter.

 
At 9:45 AM, Blogger Shmarya said...

I tried several times to leave the folowing comment on Rabbi Menken's post. Each time I tried to post, my comment did not appear on the blog. *Perhaps* Rabbi Menken has blocked me from commenting.

My Comment:"If Rosenblatt had not broken the Lanner story, Lanner would still be abusing children. Further, Lanner had a history of abuse that went back almost 30 years, the OU had heard many complaints about him over that time period, but the OU did NOTHING until The Jewish Week published its story.

Rosenblatt held that story for a long time before publishing it. During that time, Lanner abused more children.

Perhaps Rosenblatt has decided that waiting for rabbis to police their own ranks is no longer justified. Indeed, the rather long comment you deleted contains Halakhic support for making that decision.

Perhaps you could address those Halakhic points. After all, they are right on topic."

 
At 9:51 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

I suggest that victims, family/friends of victims and supporters of victims post their response to Rabbi Yaakov Menken here regarding the Rabbi Matis Weinberg and Rabbi Baruch Lanner case and the behavior of Gary Rosenblatt.

What Rabbi Yaakov Menken has written cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.

 
At 9:53 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>Each time I tried to post, my comment did not appear on the blog.
>*Perhaps* Rabbi Menken has blocked me from commenting.

It appears all comments on that thread are being blocked.

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

see: http://www.canonist.com/archives/2004/12/more_on_loshon.html

Very bizarre. Very troubling.

 
At 11:25 AM, Blogger Shmarya said...

It's not just that post, it's all posts. He's currently screening and/or banning:

• You

• Steven I. Weiss

• Luke Ford

• Me

• And, for all we know, others.

I guess that's the rabbis' game these days – if you can't win on the facts and logic (perhaps because they are wanting) limit debate while attacking your opposition in the most base terms. But what Rabbi Menken does is even worse, because Rabbi Menken does not make it clear to his readers that he is in fact censoring comments.

Cross-Currents has quickly become another self-inflicted black mark on Orthodox Judaism.

 
At 11:30 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2004/12/30/blogging-and-emloshon-horaem-gossip/#comments
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>But to publicize the wrongdoing of an individual without Torah
>sanction violates an explicit Torah prohibition.
...

Unless, apparently, that person's name is Gary Rosenblatt.

>That’s being a self-appointed watchdog – arrogating for one’s
>self that which only a communal entity (in the Torah world, a
>Bais Din) can do

And which Bais Din pray tell gave you such permission to write the above (see 1st comment).

 
At 4:44 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Re: more Rabbi Yaakov Menken claims

see: http://www.canonist.com/archives/2004/12/more_on_loshon.html#comments

>Menken's first e-mail:
>Steven, I killed the comment. Do not belabor the point.
>I did confront him first, privately, as soon as I got
>his email address. As you know, private diplomacy was
>unsuccessful. I am trying to stop and change his behavior,
>now. That is certainly permitted. Don't peddle in
>half-truths and hypocrisy. Good Shabbos, YM

I have never received any such email, the few people with my email address know not to pass my email address on without permission.


>His second e-mail:
>Do you really want me to turn off comments or block
>your IP? I have no problem with that. I could debate
>the point with you, but this is a journal, not a
>cesspool. You are "defending" an avaryan by twisting
>my words out of context. Your second paragraph is
>false, because you do not mention that the individual
>has been approached privately and is continuing to
>publicize his lies as we debate. Go consult your Rav
>to find out when this is permitted; I did. YM


I have publicized no lies, I have received no such private communication.

Rabbi Yaakov Menken's claim that I am a avaryan has no basis in fact or halacha.

It seems for all his talk about loshon horah Rabbi Yaakov Menken is quick to defame othes.

 
At 5:02 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

see Your Moral Leaders' comments at:

http://yourmoralleader.blogspot.com/2004/12/watchdogs-vs-rabbis.html

and

http://yourmoralleader.blogspot.com/2004/12/awesome-new-orthodox-blog.html

 
At 5:51 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

cached version of cross-currents pre-deletion:
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:uymsr6JIFcwJ:www.cross-currents.com/archives/2004/12/30/blogging-and-emloshon-horaem-gossip/+jewishwhistleblower&hl=en

 
At 9:40 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Allison Kaplan Sommer's comments:
http://allisonkaplansommer.blogmosis.com/history/027214.html#027214

 

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