Thursday, December 16, 2004

Note to idiots: Your Rebbe is Dead. (You may want to read the all new schita website).


At 12:18 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Just to tie this thread into Shmarya's all schita website ( ), there's a joke about Lubavitch schita that's been circulating for the past years:

Why can't you trust Lubavitch schita?

Because I'm not sure they really know when something is dead.

This joke unfortunatly applies here:

New York Post, NY
December 16, 2004

Nine people were arrested yesterday in a melee at the headquarters of Brooklyn's most visible ultra-Orthodox Jewish movement, which is divided over whether the Lubavitcher founder, Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, is alive or dead.

Workers at Lubavitch World Headquarters at 770 Eastern Parkway in Crown Heights were installing a new plaque on the building which refers to Schneerson's "blessed memory."

But followers of Lubavitch's "messianic" wing object to those words, because they believe Schneerson — who died in 1994 at age 92 — lives in spirit and flesh.

Some who are convinced that Schneerson lives fought the workers installing the plaque and other Lubavitchers who oppose their views, police and witnesses said.

Cops arrested seven men and two women in the 10 a.m. melee. The men face various charges, including assault on a police officer and resisting arrest. The two women were charged with disorderly conduct.

Among the radical Lubavitchers arrested was Chesad Halberstam, whose son Ari was killed by an Arab terrorist who shot up a van carrying Hassidic students on the Brooklyn Bridge in 1994.

The feud over the granite plaque had been brewing for several months. The mainstream Lubavitcher organization claims messianists stole the old plaque, and had a court order barring messianists from interfering with the new plaque's installation.

Lubavitcher messianists say that instead of referring to Schneerson's "blessed memory," any new plaque must say: "Long live our master, our teacher, our Rebbe king messiah, forever and ever."

One messianist said the mainstream Lubavitch organization shouldn't have installed the new plaque, because it will be stolen again.

"They have to learn that stone is not going to stay there," said Gil Schwartz, 42. "The Hasidim stand behind the rebbe and the rebbe's words. The rebbe declared himself to be the messiah."

But a mainstream Lubavitcher who gave his name only as Mendel said he saw Schneerson's body after he died.

"The reality is ugly. He is buried in Queens," said Mendel, 31. "I saw him in his office with a sheet over him and candles near his head."

Both sides believe Schneerson was, or is, prophetic. Schwartz said he foresaw such diverse events as the fall of the Soviet Union and the exodus of Russian Jews to Israel, and this year's Florida hurricanes.

The messianists are "misguided" and have "desecrated" Schneerson's name, said Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin, a mainstream Lubavitch leader.

"We hope they will soon learn the error of their current ways and become adherents of the rebbe's ways, the ways of pleasantness and peace," Shmotkin said.

At 12:21 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>But a mainstream Lubavitcher who gave his name only as Mendel
>said he saw Schneerson's body after he died.

I'd like to track this Lubavitcher down for further comment. It shouldn't be too hard. How many Lubavitchers named Mendel could there possibly be?

At 5:28 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Cuff 9 in rabbi row
Lubavitchers clash over plaque
December 16, 2004

Lubavitcher members rail against wording on cornerstone for Grand Rebbe Menachem Schneerson yesterday.

Nine members of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher Hasidic sect were arrested on a Crown Heights street yesterday after a violent dispute erupted over a plaque honoring the sect's holiest figure.
Seven men and two women were arrested as cops flooded the area outside the sect's synagogue and headquarters at 770 Eastern Parkway at 11:30 a.m. in response to a report of a disturbance involving nearly 300 Lubavitchers. The charges included resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.

The violence erupted over the words "of blessed memory," which were inscribed on a plaque under the name of Lubavitcher Grand Rebbe Menachem Schneerson that had been affixed to a cornerstone at the synagogue's entrance.

The inscription goes to the heart of a long-standing dispute that has split the insular community. One faction believes Schneerson is dead. The other believes the grand rebbe is alive - and coming back as the Moshiach, or Messiah.

"He's alive - they are writing that the rebbe is dead!" said Gil Schwartz, 42, a Lubavitcher from Montreal.

The controversy dates to 1994, when Schneerson died. Shortly after Schneerson's death, the plaque was mounted on the cornerstone. The words "of blessed memory" were scratched out by those who believe that Schneerson lives on, and will one day return as the Messiah.

The new trouble started several weeks ago, when a group of Yeshiva students substituted the plaque for one that read, "Long live our Master, the Messiah," according to Lubavitchers outside the synagogue yesterday.

After several attempts to replace the plaque were thwarted, the organization that runs the headquarters, Merkos L'Inyonei Chinuch, got a temporary restraining order barring any further interference. The synagogue's entrance has been guarded by barricades and cops since.

Meanwhile, Merkos had a new plaque - with the original inscription - put up, prompting the outcry and the violence.

Calling the violence "unacceptable," Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin, a spokesman for the main rabbi, Yehuda Krinsky, said, "We hope that they will soon learn the error of their current ways and become adherents of the rebbe's ways."

At 5:30 AM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

What happens when these nuts discover their Rebbe has a grave and a tombstone?

At 3:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The world should know that the late dead pseudo Messiah Schneerson was, together with the Catholic Church in New York, one of the two major forces that held up the passage of gay rights legislation in New York City for many years. So, it doesn't matter what the **** people believe, he was a bigot and homophobe.

I am a Queer Jew and had 2 private audiences with him in the 1950's and I can assure you that the advice he gave me when I told him that I was a homosexual, was absolutely stupid and certainly ineffectual.

I am only signing this Anonymous because I don't have the time to get a regular account with this list or whatever you call it. I just felt I had to spread the word about this rabbi.

At 7:50 PM, Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

Hassidim riot over plaque in Rebbe's 'memory'
Jerusalem Post
Dec. 16, 2004

Nine Lubavitcher Hassidim were arrested Wednesday morning in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, when they attacked police officers who had been called to Lubavitch world headquarters to guard the installation of a plaque that referred to the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, as the Rebbe "of blessed memory."

The plaque, which was to be installed at 770 Eastern Parkway to replace an earlier tablet that had been torn down by fervently messianic Chabadniks, eventually was put up under heavy police scrutiny and with the force of a court order.

"The fight [was caused by] a couple of thugs, really, [who] planned a disruption and cannot be tolerated," said Rabbi Yehuda Krinsky, one of the rebbe's secretaries. "Their actions are not justified in any way."

Police officials said the suspects were arrested for disorderly contact and assaulting police officers.

Until recently, a 10-year-old plaque marking the occasion of the expansion of the building and referring to the Rebbe with the words "of blessed memory" remained undisturbed, community members said.

But a couple of months ago, the plaque was torn down under cover of darkness and replaced with one that said: "Long live our master, our teacher and our rabbi, the king the Messiah, forever and ever," according to a Lubavitch official.

Since then, workers trying to restore the original plaque have been blocked by fervently messianic Chabadniks, and Lubavitch officials had to get a court order to block them.

Some hassidim refuse to believe that the Rebbe passed away in 1994, and insist he is the Messiah.
A Lubavitch official stressed that there were no fisticuffs between the various Chabadniks, only between the "thugs" and the police.

"In a manner completely alien to Torah values, this small but vocal group sadly doesn't recognize Torah authorities, judicial authorities, police authority, any authority," said Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin, a Lubavitch spokesman.

According to community members, some Chabadniks frequently are disruptive in the community, harassing worshipers at synagogues and disrupting daily prayers and study.

"We're concerned at this point where some people who are misguided or may be inherently not well have tried to do things in a physical way to disrupt services in shul – like this incident with the plaque," Krinsky said.

Shmotkin said the actions of this small but vocal group should not overshadow the good works of Chabad.

"This small group of misguided people have unfortunately repeatedly desecrated the Rebbe's name, causing immeasurable pain to hundreds of thousands of his followers and admirers worldwide," he said.

"We hope that they will soon learn the error of their current ways and become adherents of the Rebbe's ways, the ways of pleasantness and peace."


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